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this is ross coulthard and you are

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and it's a long

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overdue breakdown for august 2022.

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joining me is dan as always back from

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sweden i said swedish accent

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it was good it's a great accent and yeah

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i came back complete with stockholm

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syndrome and uh yeah missing olaf very

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much it was a great trip and i'm sure

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you guys will see photos from it and

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stuff over the next few days absolutely

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and also joining us uh again from the

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review we've done last time on james

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fox's out of the blue as nathan away for

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seoul on twitter and other social media

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platforms and also a host on about 40

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different podcasts as well

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now actually 45. yes things things move

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so quickly but nathan welcome back

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listen a lot to get through and this

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changed within the last 12 hours didn't

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it because we'd made notes on various

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things a few weeks ago then and then it

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changed over the last couple of weeks

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and then literally overnight we've

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totally thrown out the window and

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updated it again because

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ross kiltark's documentary aired on

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seven news in australia and there's been

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an article on the hill just released so

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we'll kind of middle that about a little

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bit but we've got quite a few talking

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points to get through we'll do a couple

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of the main ones and then fire through

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some of the others as well for some

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discussion points but it's been a bit of

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a hectic busy couple of weeks and again

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i always say for those who say nothing's

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happening in the world of ufos when you

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take a step back and actually sum it up

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and put it down in bullet points

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again it just has been busy it really

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really has and the first one we have to

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touch on in the main is ross coulthart's

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latest documentary

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um documentary news piece

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but what's documentary news piece let's

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go ancient aliens episodes um it was

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titled out of this world and was on

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seven news in australia i'll put the

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youtube link to it down below it's still

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uh in the description not below here

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because you can't see anything below

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here lucky here um it'll be in the

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description of the podcast um

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it's not aired anywhere else yet it's

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not on youtube officially so if it gets

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taken down people will just have to wait

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on the the youtube link for it going up

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properly but you can access it online um

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we've all watched it it's it's received

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pretty mixed reviews overall on

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on twitter on social media when i've

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been having a look as well hosted by

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michael usher again i believe he was on

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ross's last piece and so there must be

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an affiliation there with the channel

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and as a host as well

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um where do we start with this one i

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suppose i'm going to start with a

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really seems to me that the big takeaway

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from this piece uh 48 minutes long i

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think it was 46 minutes long was gary

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nolan's presence being the standout and

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the whole piece

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and maybe the only one i think that's

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what about yourself what's the positives

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on this one i don't think you were a

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massive fan and you said such online

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perturbed me about it was mostly the the

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promos you know we had that kind of hype

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train thing happen again with there's

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going to be irrefutable evidence of out

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of this world's presence on earth and

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actually it turns out that that was just

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the promo producers it was nothing to do

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with ross and ross was frustrated by

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that as well so i've kind of cut some

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slack and reassessed you know where i

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kind of sit with it and i think it was

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very much a documentary of two halves

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for the first half we kind of had a

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rehash of or reintroduction to new

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mixed in with that we had gary nolan

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talking about the cover-up and kind of

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given some very frank answers that i

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think a lot of us from the community

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would have seen when he was talking on

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carlson tucker and things like that but

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you know for i always call it the mum

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would have been explosive um it would

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have gotten a lot more attention than

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the online kind of interviews we're used

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concerning

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a silver sphere

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uh that was in the possession of jim

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marlin that came with quite uh you know

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an out there story and and that's the

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bit that people seem to be debating over

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whether they they liked or not i i for

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one wasn't a fan of

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the kind of anthropomorphized

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anthropomorphizing of the sphere um you

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television and chilling on the porch

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watching the sunset and it got it got a

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we'll come back to that one definitely

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because i think i'm quite similar to

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yourself in terms of how the the sphere

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was portrayed that's a weird sentence to

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say um

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nathan what about yourself positives

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from this documentary was it gary nolan

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for you or was there something else you

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no i definitely think it is gary nolan

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he's just excellent on camera and has

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you know remarkable credentials and it's

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great to see him out there

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in the public you know giving more uh

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insight and weight behind the topic and

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the way i look at this is look

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constant on the topic we're not letting

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it uh kind of simmer down and the more

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that it gets into the public the better

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uh is it something for the insiders

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tidbit here and there not at all uh i do

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distracting uh and uh you know reminded

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memes where he's kind of like waiting in

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the different like parts of the of his

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compound he's in the standing in the

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pool he's staring off in the distance

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sphere so that was a little bit of a a

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strange uh side track for me but the

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the more we can kind of pump those out

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someone has to now make that meme of the

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sphere on the the playground than the

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empty pool a la pablo escobar as we all

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few days so i like that one um before we

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and some of those sound bites like you

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two keep bringing up the sphere so let's

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talk about the sphere um we all largely

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seem to be making a little bit of fun

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and light about this however jim marlon

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who is a manager promoter bon

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extraordinaire and seems to have lived

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quite a life very interesting one i'm

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sure as well um he is is put across as

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one of the men who who got willie nelson

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advocate and

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his whole career kick started and

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promoting and doing what he done there

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um and his story in this is basically

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that ross colter goes out to his

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property and he says that he was and god

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isn't that's just very hollywood that 40

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years ago he was on dennis hopper's

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bodyguards uh property who said you want

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to see something cool and he said yeah

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bodyguard of course you would

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and um he showed him some silver spheres

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that he had in his his backyard i think

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it was that he said six or seven of them

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had fallen from a ufo

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and he asked john marlon would you like

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one and he's like yeah sure so he gave

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him this this silver sphere

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like puppies

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yeah yeah like do you want one of these

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yep just just take it right and what we

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ross with the charisma that ross

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coldheart has and i've said to dan

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recently privately and not in a slight

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ross killed out to me as the australian

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jeremy corbell he has that same charisma

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same aura same flair for the dramatic

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he's reporting in a serious way he's

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very well connected but he knows how to

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put on a show in the best way but also

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those dramatic flares and requirements

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and necessities and necessary evils that

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get a production onto mainstream

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television that we might not all

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necessarily agree with from from time to

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time so the the sphere stuff is where it

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verges a little bit on here's the crazy

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when the way john marlon's presented we

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see his life we hear how he has

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basically carried a sphere with him for

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40 years how much of that artistic

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license i don't know that's a 50-pound

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ball of metal that he has apparently

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carted around the world with him we hear

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about all these celebrities and famous

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people having touched the sphere over

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in that time i'm just curious and i may

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have missed this i don't think i did he

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never had this fear tested as to what it

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was he has literally taken on the word

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of dennis hopper's bodyguard that this

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fell from my ufo so has carted round a

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50-pound bowling ball without souls

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so he was able to follow up on a few

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things and ross elaborated on this the

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basically where jim got the sphere from

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that guy had a knock at the door with

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the authorities taking the spheres

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so jim kept quiet that he had it

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basically up until this point it's kind

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of been a secret that he's had the thing

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um and this is the first time that he's

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come out publicly to show it off the

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sphere is now in the hands of gary nolan

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to test it gary nolan stated that it is

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human until proven otherwise which i

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wish was a little more present in the

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it was something other when actually

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ross and gary both think that it's

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probably human but

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testing it and getting that

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extraterrestrial technology possibility

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off the table or you know otherwise

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is just good science and so it kind of

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needs to be done it's a claim that we

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can test and so we should test it i

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think that's fair but i don't think

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that's necessarily what was reflected in

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the documentary

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so i hadn't seen the the unity interview

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so again folks go and check that one out

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and following up with ross colter

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but again the question for me is he's

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had it 40 years he's not kept a secret

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because he's been going around the

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hollywood elite letting them

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rub his shiny silver sphere

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so you know

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at no point not that it would get out to

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those shady characters the men in the

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shadows the men in black you know

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but he's not kept a secret he's carted

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about with him more kept it on the down

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low maybe yeah i mean he's certainly not

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been on social media and on you know new

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shows showing it off and kind of yeah

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look at this look at this you know it's

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on a one by one

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basis with people until now

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and now he's done it in quite a big way

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um where he's promoted it to the entire

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world so he's clearly at a point where

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he's he's happy that to do this

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yeah

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for me i don't understand why ross

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reported when they weigh the sphere at

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some point on the and he goes wow it's

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50 pounds now that is strange

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why why would the the weight of the ball

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being 50 pounds exactly be strange like

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it's i mean surely that would point if

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anything more to it being man-made that

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if it was being mass-produced i've seen

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people online and

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pardon my ignorance i'd never read the

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fully but someone was saying about iron

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balls are produced in texas like this

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for some sort of reason

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on mass so it would make sense that if

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something was being produced you would

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make it to an exact measurement or

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weight

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so

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why wouldn't it weigh 50 pounds you know

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i didn't understand that to be honest

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and i don't know again if either of you

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can shed light on that

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yeah i mean it it suggests a terrestrial

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origin right it's it's a

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really convenient uh imperial

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measurement which is a very human

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measurement it could be that something

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else came here and has that system too

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but even humans across the globe we

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don't all have the same measurement

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systems and throughout history we had

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different things too so it very much for

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me

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suggests that it's human in origin and

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probably a geographic location as well

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yeah and it doesn't uh necessarily you

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know mean that it's not you know

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interesting or worthy of study i think

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that's gary nolan's point as well is

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that look you know we have some people

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making some big claims we should put

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those claims to the test

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maybe they'll be it'll be nothing and

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that's fine that's the purpose of

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science we should look into these things

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and if it's interesting let's keep going

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if it's not let's just discard it and i

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think maybe the the worry or the concern

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here with this particular you know

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episode or anecdote is that

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you know if it is not nothing then it

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just kind of lends to that

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narrative that a lot of these stories

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are nothing that you know people kind of

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invent something around an object and a

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whole mythology comes up around the

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object and none of it is actually real

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so it to me it could do a lot of harm

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at the same time those of us who are

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really into this topic we know that

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sometimes the story is a little more

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complicated it's it something can be

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quite mundane but can also have a pretty

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profound impact on a person or the

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people who interact with it who that you

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know maybe that later on influences them

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to study something else or to pursue the

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topic in a different way which i think

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we would view as a net positive so but i

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don't think that's something that people

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that would you know kind of look at the

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outcome of the story as a as a you know

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positive takeaway for ufology or for the

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topic in general

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yeah and and two things i just double

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checked um 50 pounds would be 22.6

387
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kilograms which doesn't quite sound as

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sexy or suspicious doesn't it like oh it

389
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weighs 22.6 kilos

390
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we move on um so yeah it was it's one of

391
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those things it's an interesting object

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but i would almost

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put every

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one of my 45 pounds i've got in my bank

395
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on it that it's um it's man-made that's

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a human object for whatever reason i

397
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also think nathan and i agree what

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you're saying now that there's there's a

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story to these things and there's a very

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human story that if jim genuinely has

401
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had this object for 40 years that's been

402
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a massive part of his life and he's had

403
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this thing that he's always had you know

404
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this air of mystery and no doubt it's

405
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been a great story he's had to tell

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people and

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imagine he did find out nah it's just an

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iron ball and he's he's literally been

409
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carting this around and i have to do i

410
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have to say and give the context that

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jim does give testimony that

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he's he's in various times the ball's

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moved on its own or he tells that he was

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sitting with his feet on the ball and a

415
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flash of light happened and he shot

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across the room six to ten feet so again

417
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we have to take that at face value and i

418
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always like to you know give the the

419
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testimony the benefit of the doubt and

420
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yeah sure

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if that has happened then that certainly

422
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lends credence to the ball having some

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sort of property but

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if we find out that is just prosec and

425
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the big iron ball that's used for i

426
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don't know thinking back to the movie

427
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twister you know measuring tornadoes or

428
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something like that then it loses that

429
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head of mystery and that's a little bit

430
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of his life that just dies with that so

431
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yeah i hope something comes back they

432
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they take a test they get some rust from

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it gary nolan asks russ cooltart to

434
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collect some rust and it's left on a

435
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cliffhanger down like you say that we're

436
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going to come back to it let you know

437
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what the results are i would almost

438
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definitely suspect that next seven news

439
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documentary confirms that it was either

440
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unknown inconclusive or very much

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man-made

442
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well and let's not forget too that this

443
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is not the first object gary nolan to

444
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study that is light like this right so

445
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in the trinity case where he is given

446
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the bracket object from

447
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jacques fillet and paul harris you know

448
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he very much looks like a just a mundane

449
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sort of metal formed bracket that you

450
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might have found on a piece of farm

451
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equipment and he studied that material

452
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as well so

453
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you know this this here is where i i'm

454
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also getting a little nervous right it's

455
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like well we're testing things which is

456
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great and we should we should test those

457
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claims but if we're repeatedly cl

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testing things that turn out to be

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nothing exceptional then i think we've

460
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got a little bit of a problem and we

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refine our

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threshold for what we're accepting as a

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testable item

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that said we also know in history though

465
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with there's a lot of stories in in

466
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ufology history of things that seem

467
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pretty basic

468
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or simple

469
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that really do have this kind of bizarre

470
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uh story around them that that doesn't

471
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make a lot of sense and so you know how

472
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do we fit that absurdity you know into

473
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the overall picture and i think you know

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those of us who are familiar here we we

475
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understand that absurdity is kind of

476
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just part and parcel of the of the topic

477
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itself

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and you know what on that bracket from

479
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trinity i remember i can't remember who

480
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i was speaking to if it was george knapp

481
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i spoke to peo laharis about the the

482
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object but sometimes a little bit of

483
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outside the box thinking is required and

484
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you can you can look at that bracket

485
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from the trinity crash

486
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as well it very much looks man-made why

487
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would anything inside an alien

488
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spacecraft look like that but what i was

489
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told was

490
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if you think of it it doesn't mean that

491
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it wasn't inside the alien spacecraft

492
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but apparently it was put in there by

493
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the us army or whoever it was went on to

494
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the craft after it had crashed and set

495
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up their own apparatus inside and it was

496
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taken from the craft but actually was

497
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man-made but it actually was inside the

498
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craft and i was ah i never thought of

499
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that it being something that we had left

500
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behind

501
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within one of these craft and that that

502
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was quite an interesting interesting

503
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take on that piece there's an

504
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interesting kind of idea presented that

505
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these fears are kind of part of a

506
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planetary defense system uh that that

507
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kind of stood out to me as a you know

508
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maybe a testable hypothesis

509
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that when something other comes into the

510
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atmosphere here these fears are mobile

511
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mobilized to get rid of the intruder um

512
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and on a little more digging with that

513
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it turns out that the the person who

514
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came up with that theory thinks that

515
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it will explain a lot of kind of

516
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poltergeist activity and things like

517
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that where the spheres will push people

518
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away from them

519
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so that they don't get these huge doses

520
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of radiation when they're doing what

521
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they're doing but again that's a

522
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testable hypothesis and and it's quite

523
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an outlandish one as well

524
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another one that came up was that it was

525
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jim himself who was the anomalous person

526
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uh factor and he was actually making the

527
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ball move

528
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now again testable we can do that but do

529
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you guys do you guys think that

530
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would you have liked here a bit more if

531
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the results were in the documentary for

532
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better or worse yep

533
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yeah 100 yep yeah same same for me it's

534
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the it's that kind of carrot dangling

535
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that was what i found frustrating yeah

536
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it seemed like one of those an executive

537
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may have said can we get this shoehorned

538
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in because when you talk about a

539
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documentary of two halves

540
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the second half we hear more about jim's

541
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experiences so not only is he a guy who

542
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is presented with an incredible object

543
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he's also a guy who has been abducted

544
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basically and taken through a wall as a

545
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child and told his parents and

546
00:18:55,510 --> 00:18:53,360
i just think the way that's presented

547
00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:55,520
and people know about my thoughts on ufo

548
00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:56,960
documentary music

549
00:19:01,750 --> 00:18:59,039
it didn't help it then got very ancient

550
00:19:03,110 --> 00:19:01,760
aliens i think the overall presentation

551
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:03,120
was was very

552
00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:05,360
i've put down here a typical ufo

553
00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:07,760
documentary from the 2000s a bit of

554
00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:09,760
ancient aliens and a lot of unidentified

555
00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:11,520
thrown in all kind of mishmashed in

556
00:19:14,150 --> 00:19:13,120
there together with very high production

557
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:14,160
values

558
00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:15,840
and i don't think that helps and that

559
00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:17,679
that leads me on to i never thought i

560
00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:20,000
would say this but michio kaku being in

561
00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:22,960
these documentaries now

562
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:24,160
i would love to speak to him on the

563
00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:26,320
podcast i would love to hear him do some

564
00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:27,440
some really

565
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:29,840
longer form interviews with people like

566
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:32,240
alex friedman like a joe rogan you know

567
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:34,400
with a cut guy mungo guys like that

568
00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:36,559
nathan yourselves you know you guys or

569
00:19:40,630 --> 00:19:38,480
with us whoever

570
00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:40,640
talking about the subject in a longer

571
00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:42,320
broader form because i feel what we're

572
00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:45,120
getting now is he appears on these

573
00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:47,120
william shatner-esque documentaries and

574
00:19:50,789 --> 00:19:49,600
very quick sound bites and he knows what

575
00:19:52,870 --> 00:19:50,799
he needs to say

576
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:52,880
it comes across as very charismatic and

577
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:55,120
incredibly clever guy a very serious

578
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:56,720
scientist to talk about the subject but

579
00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:58,720
the way he's presented

580
00:20:02,390 --> 00:20:00,559
i just don't think can come across great

581
00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:02,400
and that the sound bites

582
00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:04,000
are very much for that general public

583
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:06,799
looking for a little bit of a

584
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:09,120
almost doc brown back to the future type

585
00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:11,600
scientist discussing the ufo subject and

586
00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:14,000
i don't mean that in a derogatory way

587
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:16,320
because he's a very brilliant mind

588
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:17,840
but the way it's being presented and how

589
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:19,760
he's used in these

590
00:20:22,950 --> 00:20:21,520
like the bit about you know steal

591
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:22,960
something from an alien spaceship you

592
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:24,960
know there's the proof and it's ah i

593
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:26,480
imagine him talking with someone really

594
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:28,400
seriously on the subject that would be

595
00:20:32,310 --> 00:20:30,799
elaborated on it would be expanded on

596
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:32,320
and it would make a lot of sense as to

597
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:35,360
what he actually is getting at there and

598
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:37,520
yeah so for me i think it limits the

599
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:39,840
impact of the seriousness of this

600
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:40,720
and it

601
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:42,640
i think the tone just has to change on

602
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:45,280
on these types of documentaries but it's

603
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:46,880
not being made for

604
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:49,039
the well-versed ufo

605
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:50,799
connoisseur it's being made for an

606
00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:52,960
audience like my my stepmom and dad live

607
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:55,600
in australia um and they know about

608
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:57,840
seven years they watch it they know ross

609
00:21:01,669 --> 00:21:00,000
coulthart as a journalist and

610
00:21:02,789 --> 00:21:01,679
they knew this was coming on i don't

611
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:02,799
know if they've watched it yet i've not

612
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:04,960
had a chance to speak to them but it's

613
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:06,320
for members of the public who maybe go

614
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:08,159
ah let's give that a watch

615
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:09,760
and i don't know how

616
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:12,240
far through that documentary members of

617
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:14,320
the public would get before they

618
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:15,919
switched off or channel hopped

619
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:17,600
especially as it starts to get into this

620
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:20,480
guy got abducted and and that can uh am

621
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:22,240
i being harsh on that or is that is that

622
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:24,400
what you guys thought

623
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:26,480
oh i i think you're spot on you know it

624
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:27,679
got to a certain point for me where i

625
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:29,440
was just like i don't i don't know who

626
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:31,760
this is for anymore i kind of feel like

627
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,159
i i'm required to have this knowledge

628
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:36,320
of the wider subject to kind of be able

629
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:38,000
to put the sphere into context and to

630
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:39,679
put the abductions into context but at

631
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:41,600
the same time

632
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:43,039
i thought well you know if someone out

633
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:44,880
there is going to watch this i can i can

634
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,039
kind of feel the eyes rolling already

635
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:49,360
you know

636
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:50,720
they take away

637
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:52,240
well i'm just going to say it's it does

638
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:53,600
have that uh

639
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:55,120
you know sort of water cooler effect

640
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,559
though you know did you see that it was

641
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:58,480
kind of crazy a little bit weird made me

642
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,280
laugh

643
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:01,200
you know my worry would be just that

644
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:03,440
sort of anecdote and and the sort of

645
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:05,679
sensationalism that kaku is now i think

646
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:07,679
kind of being known for does it

647
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:08,960
overshadow

648
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:11,280
the real meat of the show which is the

649
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:12,799
conversations that are had with tim

650
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:15,679
burchette uh and and gary nolan you know

651
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:18,000
there's a lot of substance there that i

652
00:22:21,990 --> 00:22:20,159
think has a lot of credibility you know

653
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:22,000
so if you don't lose sight of those

654
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:22,960
points

655
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,159
and and

656
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:26,480
don't get too fixated on these uh you

657
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,720
know interesting claims or whatnot then

658
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:30,559
it's it's a real positive

659
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:31,520
um

660
00:22:34,390 --> 00:22:33,120
but yeah i mean at what point and this

661
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:34,400
is this is the question i would ask is

662
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:36,159
at what point do we transition from

663
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:37,440
these kinds of

664
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:40,159
pieces to something that is incredibly

665
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:41,600
substantive you know and to your point

666
00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:43,120
andy you know where we have scientists

667
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:46,080
like dr kaku who aren't just giving you

668
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:48,799
know sort of the the rosiest speculative

669
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:50,960
response on on what we're seeing but are

670
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:53,679
really getting into some of the detail

671
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:55,760
that would satisfy our genuine

672
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,159
scientific curiosity here

673
00:23:03,270 --> 00:23:00,720
yeah there was um a point that ross

674
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:03,280
mentioned on the the interview with

675
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,640
project unity

676
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,320
where he was talking about a gentleman

677
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:08,559
he spoke to who he worked out

678
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,000
statistically

679
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:12,080
kind of how the human genome had

680
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:13,919
developed and how likely it was for that

681
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,520
to happen and it sounded like this

682
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:17,600
really wonderful in-depth conversation

683
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:19,280
and the gentleman supposedly came out

684
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,799
with you know it's not very likely at

685
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:22,320
all it seems that the phrase that he

686
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:23,919
used was that we were given a cosmic

687
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:26,480
shove by something at some point that

688
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:27,679
sounded like a really interesting

689
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:31,200
conversation why wasn't that in the show

690
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:33,440
yeah i think it's one of those that

691
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:35,840
overall for me i'll ask you agents first

692
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:38,000
before i give my thoughts and we'll move

693
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:38,880
on

694
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:39,760
nathan

695
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,080
do you recommend people watch this and

696
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:44,480
why or why not

697
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:45,760
i'd recommend it i thought it was

698
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:47,840
entertaining it's not too long there's

699
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:50,080
some great sound bites in it i would

700
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:51,919
probably

701
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:54,320
in sending it to someone say you know

702
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,480
prepare yourself for the

703
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:58,720
sphere in a rocking chair scene i mean

704
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:59,919
like i don't even know how you you know

705
00:24:04,149 --> 00:24:01,520
because like you're gonna laugh at that

706
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,159
i mean it's just it is it was funny but

707
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:06,240
i i don't see that it i didn't think of

708
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:07,679
it as a negative i think it's still

709
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:09,520
positive it keeps the attention where we

710
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,679
want it uh there's a lot of good things

711
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:14,159
that we can clip from the show and and

712
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,880
continue kind of pus pushing out there

713
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:18,640
and i'm all for that

714
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:19,840
then

715
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,919
so for me i pretty much as soon as i

716
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,760
finished i gave it a rating of a three

717
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:25,440
three spheres out of ten

718
00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:28,240
um i i wouldn't recommend this to people

719
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:29,840
just because i feel like so much of it

720
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,600
was really far-fetched i can see what

721
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:33,120
ross was doing with the abduction stuff

722
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:35,279
to kind of speak to the why are they

723
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,279
here part of of the conversation but

724
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:41,039
to to go from

725
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:43,120
you know the rehash of the stuff that

726
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,640
we're all kind of following through us

727
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:46,480
congress and speaking to tim burch and

728
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,400
gary nolan to then these really

729
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:49,919
loosey-goosey

730
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:52,640
kind of stories uh i i feel like it

731
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,120
really undermined itself

732
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:57,440
let me ask a question then um and just

733
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,760
give me a yes or no both of you okay dan

734
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,360
i'll start with you on this i like that

735
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:03,279
you say my name first give me yes or no

736
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,720
dan yeah

737
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:06,240
so

738
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:07,840
i don't want to overrun on this and that

739
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,720
is i don't want to sound harsh but

740
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:12,960
does this these documentaries when they

741
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:14,480
end up a documentary of two halves and

742
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:15,840
this happened with one of the other ones

743
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:18,159
we reviewed done earlier this year was

744
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:18,880
it

745
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:23,919
and and greenwald and linda molten howe

746
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,640
and

747
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,640
um all that crew in it do you remember

748
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:28,080
and we said it was a documentary of two

749
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:29,360
halves again

750
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:30,559
it may have been the observers i can't

751
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,720
remember but one of those where it felt

752
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:34,559
like they ran out of steam and material

753
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:36,080
so they had to show horn a load of

754
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:38,320
random stuff in the second half and i

755
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:40,640
wonder was they are a remit for ross to

756
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:42,799
produce a piece which there there was

757
00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,600
material for but again is it too easy to

758
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:47,600
fill it in with yeah let's stick some

759
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:49,919
abduction stuff in there let's shoehorn

760
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:52,159
the gimbal tic tac gopher stuff in there

761
00:25:54,830 --> 00:25:53,360
and

762
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:54,840
make the most of

763
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:57,360
it do you think that's what they've done

764
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:58,720
or

765
00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:00,080
yeah no

766
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:01,840
i'm yes

767
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:04,159
yeah and then and then i just my

768
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:05,760
reasoning is that like nine million

769
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:06,880
people have viewed it already and i

770
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,720
think that's what's driving them okay

771
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,799
nathan it's not fair dan

772
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:12,159
yes

773
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,360
yeah i also think so and ultimately um i

774
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:17,279
would say it's worth a watch is very

775
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:19,600
well produced it does

776
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:20,960
very much fall for me between a

777
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:23,600
documentary produced in the early 2000s

778
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:26,080
when cgi got a bit better um an ancient

779
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:28,400
aliens episode and a little bit of the

780
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:30,320
the good stuff from unidentified thrown

781
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:33,440
in as well um it serves as a nice little

782
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,400
recap again of gimbal tic tac go fast

783
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,480
the the sphere stuff is interesting but

784
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:40,559
i think ultimately misplaced and what

785
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:42,640
it's going to be and what it is

786
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:43,679
but

787
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:46,159
as with any of these pieces if it gets a

788
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:47,840
few people watching

789
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,559
or reading a newsletter or subscribing

790
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:52,400
to you know a blog or listening to a

791
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,039
podcast or a youtube channel that didn't

792
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,120
do so before then that can only be a

793
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,799
good thing you know that's that's fair

794
00:27:01,909 --> 00:27:00,480
enough and i think ross comes at these

795
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,919
things with a really

796
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:03,679
he's very well intentioned and he treats

797
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:05,279
it very seriously because he is a

798
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:06,880
serious journalist so

799
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:09,200
yeah um for me give it a watch like

800
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,360
nathan says it's not overly long

801
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:13,279
but i would sit somewhere between what

802
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:15,440
both dan and nathan have said that it's

803
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:17,200
worth the watch but dan keep your

804
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,000
expectations low and you can't be overly

805
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:23,039
disappointed so yeah there we go um the

806
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,520
just this afternoon 22nd of august um an

807
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:27,440
article has been published on the

808
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:31,039
hill.com by marek von renincamp manic

809
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:32,320
does a lot of really good commentary a

810
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:33,760
lot of good articles and some really

811
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:35,840
good debates sparked online by manic as

812
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,559
well um on twitter

813
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,480
and one of the headlines or the headline

814
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:43,120
from the article is that congress in the

815
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:46,640
us now implies ufos have a non-human

816
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,600
origin

817
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:49,120
and which is pretty interesting the

818
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:50,799
article itself is pretty short the link

819
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,880
will be in the description um gents

820
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:54,960
you've both had time to at least read

821
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:58,159
our skin the article by now um for me

822
00:28:01,909 --> 00:28:00,000
that this one paragraph really stands

823
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:01,919
out and i'll just read it very quickly

824
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:04,559
and i quote more strikingly congress's

825
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:08,000
new definition of ufo excludes man-made

826
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:09,120
objects

827
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:11,440
over the last seven decades most ufo

828
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:13,200
sightings involved quote-unquote

829
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:16,240
man-made objects such as misidentified

830
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:18,880
aircraft balloons satellites or drones

831
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,600
yet now according to congress man-made

832
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:23,440
objects and again this is part of the

833
00:28:25,990 --> 00:28:24,320
quote

834
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,000
should not be considered under the

835
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:28,640
definition as unidentified aerospace

836
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:30,720
undersea phenomena

837
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:33,120
then take you to that one is this

838
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,279
something that a can be looked into a

839
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:36,960
little bit too much and it's just you

840
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,640
know in the language and the way these

841
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:40,240
things are now being split up and

842
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,880
categorized or is there a little bit

843
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:44,399
more to this we should be looking and

844
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:46,000
being quite intrigued by

845
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:47,520
i i find it interesting that america's

846
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:48,799
taking it in this way because he's

847
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:50,240
basing it off language that's in the

848
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:51,679
legislation that's currently going

849
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,320
through the house um and and the senate

850
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:56,320
and what that language says

851
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:57,200
is

852
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:58,640
basically

853
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:01,039
that they want to look at all the cases

854
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:02,559
that are reported

855
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:04,080
and they make it very clear that the

856
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:06,080
ones they're interested in are not the

857
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,960
ones

858
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:08,480
where the solution is found to be a

859
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:10,559
man-made object to me

860
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,159
it didn't mean that the definition of

861
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:14,559
ufo has changed to congress what it

862
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,399
meant was that they were clarifying hey

863
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:18,480
hey no you keep telling us about drones

864
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:20,159
like you did during the hearings and

865
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:22,000
we're making it very clear that's not

866
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:23,440
what we're interested in talking about

867
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,000
here we're talking about the anomalies

868
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:28,399
the things you can't explain so next

869
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:30,559
time you guys come to u.s hearings that

870
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:32,240
better be what we're talking about

871
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,919
instead of just you know

872
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,760
two minutes of there are some sightings

873
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:37,440
that exhibit some characteristics that

874
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:39,440
we can't explain the whole thing better

875
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:40,960
be about that because that's what we

876
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,799
want to hear about

877
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:44,640
nathan what's your take

878
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:47,520
yeah so on that particular

879
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:49,279
sort of line of reasoning i mean there's

880
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:51,039
a different way to look at that and i'm

881
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:53,120
not saying i look at it this way but you

882
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,960
could look at that language and say and

883
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:56,240
come to conclusion what they're saying

884
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:57,919
there is once we've come to the

885
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,679
determination that it is man-made we

886
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:01,440
don't care about it anymore

887
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,159
so

888
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,039
you know if you essentially if it's gone

889
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:07,679
from a ufo to an ifo

890
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:09,679
we don't care about it so keep going

891
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:11,919
after the ufos until we've eliminated

892
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:14,320
you know everything that we can explain

893
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,480
and then let's see what's left i think

894
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,640
you know overall my take away from this

895
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,480
article it's very well written it's not

896
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,559
very long and it says the quiet part out

897
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:24,559
loud it takes the pieces of the

898
00:30:29,110 --> 00:30:27,039
legislation that are scattered it's not

899
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:29,120
it's not a short little section in the

900
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:30,799
in the proposed bill it's a several

901
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,120
pages but it takes the pieces from that

902
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:35,360
and it extracts the really meaty bits

903
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:38,000
and just draws the conclusion and that's

904
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,600
what i think is the most surprising to

905
00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:41,520
me is that we we just haven't had the

906
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,159
media in general look at this and go

907
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:46,159
wait what are you saying like i mean i'm

908
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:48,000
reading i'm reading this and these are

909
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:49,760
the the natural

910
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:52,880
logical conclusions to arrive at it no

911
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:54,960
one seems to be doing that in in the

912
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:57,120
public conversation it's just like oh

913
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,360
that's some other you know ufo language

914
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:01,200
legislation isn't that kind of neat yeah

915
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:03,360
but look what it actually says

916
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,279
you know if you really come to that if

917
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,360
you really read it get into the context

918
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:09,440
you cannot help but think

919
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:11,679
just as he states in the article that

920
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:13,840
these legislators have been shown some

921
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:15,760
very very compelling pieces of

922
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,480
information that have prompted them not

923
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:20,559
just on a partisan basis but across the

924
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:23,679
aisle to get together and demand that

925
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:26,159
this kind of effort be undertaken

926
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:27,679
that is huge

927
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,320
huge and it just baffles me and it

928
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:32,399
baffles you guys like that we're we're

929
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:35,039
just not seeing this kind of bubble up

930
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,120
to the the level of attention that it

931
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:38,880
should be and this is like you know

932
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:41,519
civilization changing kind of light

933
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:43,840
language here um so anyway i hope that

934
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:46,000
that article gets a lot of play and

935
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,320
passed around because to me it's it's

936
00:31:52,470 --> 00:31:50,399
not long-winded really gets the point

937
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:52,480
and says what the you know to me what

938
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:54,399
the language is pointing to

939
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:56,399
unlike myself which can be long-winded

940
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:57,840
doesn't always get to the point and the

941
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:00,799
language isn't always understandable um

942
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,720
i just want to ask on that both of you

943
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:04,080
okay i've not even got this written down

944
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:05,600
to discuss so i'm going to try and work

945
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,840
this with this properly

946
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,600
looking at that sort of progress and

947
00:32:13,029 --> 00:32:11,360
you've got gary nolan on that

948
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,039
documentary with ross talking about the

949
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:14,960
whistleblowers are coming out that's one

950
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:16,000
of the big sound bites people are

951
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,919
talking about we are hearing that the

952
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,320
immunity language is potentially

953
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,080
finished are going to be in legislation

954
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:24,480
that people's ndas and such will be able

955
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:26,799
to be kind of

956
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:29,279
forgotten about and and congress to to

957
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,880
speak openly on on the ufo topic and the

958
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:34,720
terms of the secrecy and classifications

959
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,399
and everything so some really

960
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:38,960
interesting stuff is going to come out

961
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:40,240
if

962
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:42,880
this is all a massive

963
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,519
push for defense funding

964
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:47,840
and

965
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:50,799
people at louis elizondo are it's psyops

966
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:52,559
and counterintelligence tricks and

967
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:53,760
everything else

968
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:56,399
at what point does this stop because for

969
00:33:02,389 --> 00:32:59,440
me it seems like if that is the case

970
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:02,399
then the jokes get going a bit far now

971
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:05,360
because how long is this going to go on

972
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:07,760
before the turn rounding it does go back

973
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,159
in the bottle you know

974
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:12,559
well we we have a number of

975
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:13,360
people

976
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,720
the community saying that this has all

977
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:18,320
been about drones the whole time right

978
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:20,080
that actually drums are getting pretty

979
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:21,200
out there and we need to be able to

980
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:25,039
protect ourselves and that is

981
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:26,559
some of it will be really advanced

982
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:28,640
drones that's that's fair but just to

983
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:31,600
point out those the apparatus to you

984
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:32,799
know

985
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:34,240
kind of defend against those kinds of

986
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:35,519
threats they've been funded that's

987
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:37,840
happened that's done already so if it

988
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,760
was for those things

989
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,760
we would be done with this now you know

990
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,960
people would be slinking off into the

991
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,640
shadows and not

992
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:46,320
talking about changing that definition

993
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:47,840
or implying that congress are going

994
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,559
after genuine you know anomalous uh

995
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:52,399
phenomena so

996
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:54,799
yeah like we like you say we we would

997
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:56,480
have seen the end of that by now if it

998
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:58,320
was about drones

999
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:00,640
yeah nathan probably yourself on that

1000
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:02,720
yeah i don't see uh

1001
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:05,919
why congress wouldn't want to fund an

1002
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,320
effort into advanced technologies if we

1003
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:10,480
actually had them you know or if we were

1004
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:12,879
pursuing them there's no need to sort of

1005
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,079
add this layer of you know uap

1006
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:18,079
otherworldly technology that might not

1007
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,079
be from the russians of the chinese we

1008
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:22,240
don't need that pretense to to spend

1009
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:23,359
money on

1010
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,240
cool

1011
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:26,399
war technology we've been doing it for

1012
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:28,159
decades we love doing it's like our one

1013
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:29,919
of our favorite things to do you know

1014
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:31,760
just look at our annual budget we dump

1015
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:34,240
so much money into defense it's obscene

1016
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,119
so i really don't see why we need

1017
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:39,599
this cover story you know this elaborate

1018
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:43,119
ruse to get money from our lawmakers

1019
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:44,720
they're they're more than happy to do

1020
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:45,599
that

1021
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:48,639
every year over and over again so you

1022
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:49,839
know i think

1023
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:51,919
to with the credentials of these

1024
00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:54,320
individuals who've been pushing for this

1025
00:35:03,670 --> 00:34:55,119
the

1026
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:03,680
can influence

1027
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:06,240
it's absolutely absurd it's absolutely

1028
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:07,359
absurd they would risk their

1029
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:09,520
professional rat reputations

1030
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:10,400
on

1031
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:16,720
make any sense whatsoever these are not

1032
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:19,520
you know men and women prone to fantasy

1033
00:35:23,829 --> 00:35:22,079
these are people who are very serious

1034
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:23,839
you know who have high credentials who

1035
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,240
have seen a lot of sensitive information

1036
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:28,560
and they're not done they're very smart

1037
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,680
you know they can come to their own

1038
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,599
conclusions and if they're arriving at

1039
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:33,520
these conclusions and then sharing that

1040
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:34,960
same information with people who can

1041
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,240
make decisions

1042
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:39,040
like that's why we are here it is not

1043
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,119
some you know fantasy novel that just

1044
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:43,599
got passed around the halls of congress

1045
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,280
let me tag on to that this is probably a

1046
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:47,040
good place to bring in this other news

1047
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:48,720
piece but just to to put on the end of

1048
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:50,960
this part um bill nelson nasa

1049
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:52,960
administrator and royal moultrie the

1050
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:55,839
under secretary of defense uh for intel

1051
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:57,520
and security i think that's the the

1052
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:00,560
overall title um recently met up and we

1053
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:02,079
got the handshake photo and they've

1054
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,200
agreed that nasa and the audio sdi i

1055
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:07,040
think is the correct abbreviation it

1056
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:09,200
will be working together on the subject

1057
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:13,599
of ufos uap um again that seems a big

1058
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:16,240
step forward and this is just me like

1059
00:36:20,390 --> 00:36:18,400
you know my opinion folks but again

1060
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:20,400
folks say yeah nasa know the truth nasa

1061
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:23,040
are an organization nasa are filled with

1062
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:26,400
offices and people like you and i and

1063
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:28,320
there's human error and everything else

1064
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,720
comes into it in bias so

1065
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,800
maybe nasa don't know the truth maybe

1066
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,640
some folk at nasa are far more involved

1067
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:36,720
and knowledgeable than others however

1068
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:37,920
right at the top of that pile at the

1069
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:39,680
moment is bill nelson who is very well

1070
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:42,079
briefed on the subject of ufos given his

1071
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:44,160
previous role um

1072
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:45,760
where he was basically given some of

1073
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:47,119
these briefings we've heard about no

1074
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:49,040
doubt by folks like eric davis and

1075
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,920
others

1076
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:51,599
so he's seen some of this good stuff

1077
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:52,880
he's probably seen your your 23

1078
00:36:56,230 --> 00:36:55,119
23-minute long videos and the likes you

1079
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:56,240
know some of these really interesting

1080
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,079
photographs and

1081
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,240
he's he's pushing the ufo subject from

1082
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,160
within nasa and now they're getting

1083
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,079
involved with the government so again i

1084
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:06,640
ask i ask you both are we looking at a

1085
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:08,320
push for funding which you're both

1086
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:10,720
saying doesn't look likely or

1087
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:12,960
what's the end game here that nasa are

1088
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:14,560
now getting involved dan i'll come to

1089
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:15,760
you first

1090
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:18,000
well we we've had a lot of um or we've

1091
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:20,240
seen a lot of criticism that the actual

1092
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:22,960
budget for the nasa study of uap was and

1093
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:25,359
credit mefron was about 100k up front

1094
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:26,560
which a lot of people are saying that's

1095
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:29,040
not even enough to get to two interns on

1096
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:30,800
computers looking at stuff on youtube

1097
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:32,240
but i think that's kind of exactly the

1098
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,839
point that's what the study is right now

1099
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:35,280
is just a bunch of people kind of going

1100
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:37,119
out and going okay so what what is here

1101
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:39,280
and i would expect that budget to go up

1102
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:40,640
but

1103
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:42,560
i mean that's that's money down the

1104
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,359
drain if this is all pretend and

1105
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:49,520
the the inkling that i'm getting is that

1106
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:51,440
like you say these organizations made up

1107
00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:52,960
of lots of different people lots of

1108
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:54,960
different departments and

1109
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:57,359
my feeling is that finally the grown-ups

1110
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:59,119
are arriving to have this conversation

1111
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:01,520
out in in the open and with the public

1112
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:03,040
and say you know

1113
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:05,119
there's a there's now

1114
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:07,119
so much conversation about this that

1115
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,960
we're kind of entering into

1116
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:10,800
the the period of time that someone

1117
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:12,800
named thomas would call the

1118
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:15,280
paradigm shift where things are starting

1119
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:16,240
to change and we're taking the

1120
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,760
conversation more seriously because the

1121
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:19,680
pile's so big we need to look around we

1122
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,200
need to figure it out because there's

1123
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:24,240
clearly something here otherwise these

1124
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:25,839
hundreds of thousands and maybe even

1125
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:27,200
millions of people across the world

1126
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:28,480
wouldn't have been talking about this

1127
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:33,190
yeah and i think that uh you know

1128
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:35,280
echoing both of your points these

1129
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:37,040
organizations you know

1130
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:38,560
some of them have more information than

1131
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,520
others

1132
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:41,760
uh the low sort of amount of money that

1133
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:44,320
is put into this effort by nasa to me

1134
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,640
and if you're on the ufo side of this

1135
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,480
equation i think you can look at that

1136
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:50,400
from the standpoint of

1137
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:51,760
don't spend a lot of money if you

1138
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:52,960
already know what the answer is going to

1139
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:53,760
be

1140
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:57,040
you know so uh you know i saw that my uh

1141
00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,880
my good good friend darren exo academia

1142
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:00,640
essentially sort of hinted at this idea

1143
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:03,119
as well which is that you know if you're

1144
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:04,720
if your kids get old enough you kind of

1145
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:05,920
start

1146
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,599
introducing them to some truths about

1147
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:09,440
the wider world and you and sometimes

1148
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:11,200
you'll do that as parents by you know

1149
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:13,359
giving them an easy on-ramp you know

1150
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:14,720
like here's a

1151
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,359
let's look into the evidence for

1152
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:19,520
santa claus you know is there really any

1153
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:20,800
good evidence here

1154
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:23,040
let's take a look at the cookies and you

1155
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:25,040
know and see who's eating them or

1156
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:26,960
whatever you know so

1157
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:28,320
you already know the answer you know

1158
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,920
we're gonna get but you're starting out

1159
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:31,920
with these really sort of easy

1160
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,599
uh you know simple

1161
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:35,520
uh approaches of inquiry and so that

1162
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:37,200
could very well be what's happening here

1163
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:38,960
is that this provides

1164
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,839
both

1165
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:41,760
the organization and those in the

1166
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:43,200
organization who've been focused on the

1167
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:45,040
science but also the wider scientific

1168
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,720
community and the public

1169
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,200
with the permission and an easy on-ramp

1170
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,440
to get into this topic and take it more

1171
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,000
seriously and that's what you would need

1172
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:56,480
if ultimately you're leading up to

1173
00:40:02,150 --> 00:39:59,839
a more uh sort of bombastic public type

1174
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:02,160
of disclosure that yeah there really is

1175
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:03,440
something here

1176
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,880
and and you're just kind of setting

1177
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:06,400
these organizations up to be in a

1178
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:08,079
position where they can

1179
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:10,000
not look like they're total fools you

1180
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:11,599
know where they can say oh yeah we're

1181
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:13,200
we've been studying a little bit we're

1182
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,640
interested we're not saying we're not

1183
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:16,800
now we're now we're ready to help or you

1184
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:18,319
know if that's what you're telling us

1185
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:19,839
what we're concluding we're ready to do

1186
00:40:22,470 --> 00:40:20,800
it

1187
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:22,480
i would just make a point down on the

1188
00:40:26,309 --> 00:40:24,640
hundred thousand being money down the

1189
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:26,319
drain

1190
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,680
that's not a lot of money to throw down

1191
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:29,680
the drain i imagine far bigger sums of

1192
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,240
money especially in that organization

1193
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:34,560
um have been thrown down the drain on

1194
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:37,520
projects that never probably left paper

1195
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:38,400
but

1196
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,960
it's it's still a sum of money allocated

1197
00:40:44,630 --> 00:40:42,880
for a reason but

1198
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,640
just i mean of the more skeptical people

1199
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:46,079
who make the listening thinking yeah i

1200
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:46,880
mean

1201
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:49,440
you're not wrong it's not a lot but nasa

1202
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:51,839
their budget had experiences huge swings

1203
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:53,359
you know so yeah you know it's not like

1204
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:55,920
cern who have a percentage of gdp that

1205
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,160
they can kind of plan like pocket money

1206
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,480
how to spend nasa

1207
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,119
uh notorious for penny pension so i i'd

1208
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:05,760
argue even 100k would you know they'd

1209
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:06,960
figure out how to make that go pretty

1210
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:08,000
far

1211
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,280
could that be a reason though again

1212
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:11,359
devil's advocate that nasa would want to

1213
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:14,240
jump on the ufo bandwagon while it's hot

1214
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:16,000
because there's a pot of money

1215
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:17,920
potentially there if they do get

1216
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:19,760
involved when they hear about uap task

1217
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:22,079
forces being created and they hear about

1218
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,240
congress bringing it up as a hot topic

1219
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:26,160
and they see some of these these younger

1220
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,960
politicians who may be future presidents

1221
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,960
or presidential candidates or vp

1222
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:32,960
candidates getting involved and they

1223
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,440
think let's get in well the the money's

1224
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:37,440
there and the going's good because like

1225
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:40,000
you say they want some of that cash

1226
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:41,440
yeah i mean i mean potentially

1227
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:44,079
absolutely uh it all depends what the

1228
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:45,680
evaluation is here and i actually really

1229
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:47,520
like nathan's suggestion that you know

1230
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:49,119
the truth usually ends up between the

1231
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:50,720
two extremes right it's a bit in the

1232
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,599
middle and yeah i i was fond of nathan's

1233
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:55,280
suggestion there that actually this

1234
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:58,079
could be an easy on-ramp

1235
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:59,520
yeah fair

1236
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,280
yeah and you want to stay part of the

1237
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:03,200
game right you want as an organization

1238
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,400
you want to be able to have a seat at

1239
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:06,240
the table so

1240
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:08,000
without over committing right so maybe

1241
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,440
that that's what this is about it's like

1242
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:11,200
hey we're interested we're the

1243
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,960
organization that should be

1244
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:14,400
we're not going to dump tons of money in

1245
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,839
it because we either a you know the

1246
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,440
answer already wink wink or we don't

1247
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:19,440
know the answer but we want to be

1248
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:22,000
in a good position to hold our hand our

1249
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:23,760
hat out and take some money from the

1250
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:25,839
coffers when those coffers really you

1251
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:28,000
know fling open

1252
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:29,520
right gents let's get through some of

1253
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,760
these other news pieces uh as we wrap up

1254
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:33,440
towards the end of this breakdown it's

1255
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,800
been good getting back to discussing

1256
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:36,720
some of these bigger bigger topics and

1257
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:38,240
conversations and i hope you have

1258
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:40,480
enjoyed it a few more things that we'll

1259
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:43,359
just brush over the calvin fallout as

1260
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:45,280
you will have seen or heard by now folks

1261
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:46,720
i'm sure that the

1262
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,960
the famous or infamous calvin photograph

1263
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:50,800
we only ever had the negatives for was

1264
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:53,280
published recently and dr david clarke

1265
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,640
who's a bit of a uap media alumni now um

1266
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:58,480
newer member of the group has been doing

1267
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:00,880
a lot of good work on on the ufos ufo

1268
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:02,800
subject here in the uk for for quite

1269
00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:05,119
some time now many many years and along

1270
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:06,880
with fenney adams and dan you got your

1271
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,680
hand

1272
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:09,839
and the the process as well didn't you

1273
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,000
managed to get this photograph out the

1274
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,760
actual

1275
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:15,119
you know what i can't say clear

1276
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:16,640
photograph because there's enough

1277
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:18,800
conversation happening around it that if

1278
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:21,359
i say clear yeah it's not clear we can

1279
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,119
see though there is an object

1280
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:25,359
um or a reflection depending on what

1281
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:27,440
side of the argument you fall down on i

1282
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,839
i can't see a reflection to be fair but

1283
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:31,200
i've had enough people telling me

1284
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:32,880
because they read it on reddit it's a

1285
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:35,680
reflection um but you can see what's

1286
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,040
likely a diamond-shaped object and what

1287
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:41,359
looks like uh some sort of aircraft

1288
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:43,599
plane behind it escorting guiding

1289
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:46,000
whatever it may be um

1290
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:50,480
taken in calvin scotland in early 1990

1291
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,960
in the hills it was famously what nick

1292
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:55,200
pope has dined out on for 30 years of

1293
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,560
his career as well and now the

1294
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,240
photographs come out

1295
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,240
it's prompted a whole lot of discussion

1296
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:02,880
across the world um the photographs come

1297
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:03,839
out though and it's been really

1298
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:05,839
interesting to see the reaction and i

1299
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,839
think honestly it's kind of ended up

1300
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:09,280
where i thought it would that very

1301
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:11,599
quickly it hit a peak and then went away

1302
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:13,280
because

1303
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,720
what photograph is going to be enough

1304
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:16,240
for people now and i think it would be a

1305
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:18,160
case of if we got that

1306
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:19,920
black triangle photograph coming out the

1307
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:22,079
water i think it would be exactly the

1308
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:24,400
same conversation

1309
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,640
that i just can't see photographs being

1310
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,560
enough for anyone anymore

1311
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:30,720
yeah i would agree with you you know we

1312
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:32,720
we have basically the story goes that

1313
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:35,359
there were two two gentlemen uh

1314
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:37,839
hiking in scotland and they saw this

1315
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,560
craft in the sky they hid in the bushes

1316
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:42,400
and uh shut off

1317
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:44,800
six photographs of this thing hovering

1318
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:45,920
there

1319
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:48,160
meanwhile it's being kind of flown

1320
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,560
around by by a

1321
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:52,319
plane it's up to debate what that plane

1322
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:53,839
is some people say harrier other people

1323
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:55,839
say other things uh but yeah they got

1324
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:57,520
off six those six photographs sent them

1325
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,599
to the the daily record in scotland

1326
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:01,839
who's kind of work with the raf the mod

1327
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:04,079
to kind of get the materials to them and

1328
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,079
then long story short the materials go

1329
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:08,240
missing as always happens and the photo

1330
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,589
what's interesting is that as soon as

1331
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:15,520
this came out you you almost have people

1332
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:18,240
kind of saying that it was a hoax um and

1333
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,599
ignoring

1334
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:21,280
the one you know it came with image

1335
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,640
analysis

1336
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:24,079
that kind of showed that you know this

1337
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,760
wasn't just a hoax photograph you know

1338
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:27,760
we kind of prepped on that front but

1339
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:29,040
also

1340
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:31,359
the the kind of the backstory of the the

1341
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,760
photograph and what happened as well

1342
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:35,599
where you have like say it's not one

1343
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:37,599
photograph it's six photographs that the

1344
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:39,359
the mod had to study

1345
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,880
and

1346
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:42,880
that organization uh it's not the mod

1347
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:44,160
it's uh jarek the joint air

1348
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:47,119
reconnaissance intelligence center so

1349
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:48,560
they had six times the data they

1350
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:50,079
determined that it was a harrier they

1351
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:51,520
determined that it was more than likely

1352
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:54,079
but couldn't conclusively say that it

1353
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:55,680
was you know uh

1354
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,359
an object in the sky that was backing up

1355
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:59,119
the witnesses claims

1356
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:01,200
and then you had people again ignoring

1357
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:02,960
the witness testimony

1358
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:04,880
now as always this would be easier if

1359
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:06,640
the witnesses were were to come forward

1360
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,079
and actually have the conversation with

1361
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:09,920
us but instead we're kind of left with

1362
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,240
this information vacuum to you know

1363
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:14,640
figure out what we

1364
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:16,960
hope to figure out you know is this et

1365
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:19,040
is this man made is there a truth kind

1366
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:21,200
of in the middle and when we presented

1367
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:22,720
this image we

1368
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:25,680
we were careful to not conclude and you

1369
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:27,440
know different members of uap media uk

1370
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:29,680
we lean kind of slightly different ways

1371
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:32,000
but the work is ongoing on this image

1372
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:33,680
and it was interesting that even though

1373
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:35,200
that was very you know we were very

1374
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:36,400
transparent about that you know this

1375
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:37,920
investigation has been going for ages

1376
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:39,119
and it's still going to be going there's

1377
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,040
still questions to answer

1378
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,200
that people were trying to conclude on

1379
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:45,119
it immediately like you say with the

1380
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,800
sixth the data that the officials had

1381
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:50,240
so i think you're absolutely right you

1382
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:51,520
know even if we

1383
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:53,119
had that photograph of the black

1384
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:54,560
triangle coming out of the ocean and the

1385
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:56,480
story surrounding it was that they saw

1386
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:58,160
it and somehow they were able to detect

1387
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:01,200
it and go there and take the photo

1388
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:02,960
a lot of people it just it wouldn't be

1389
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:04,960
enough it wouldn't be enough for people

1390
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:05,680
so

1391
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:07,040
let me ask because you're very right

1392
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:08,480
just while it's fresh in my mind that

1393
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,319
people saw and but this is just a social

1394
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,480
media thing not just to do with ufos

1395
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:14,319
people saw the photograph and started

1396
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:15,839
making comments

1397
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:17,680
completely ignoring the analysis and

1398
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:19,200
folks if you do listen to this whether

1399
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:20,640
you like me or not i don't particularly

1400
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,400
care um but if you do thanks um

1401
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,880
if you listen to something or you make a

1402
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:28,800
judgment and you make a mistake and for

1403
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:31,520
example you totally ignore the analysis

1404
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:33,440
you don't have to agree with it but if

1405
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:35,119
you then realize you have made a mistake

1406
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,119
it's okay to turn around and say ah

1407
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,839
sorry i missed that i do it all the time

1408
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:41,599
it's fine to hold your hands up some

1409
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,599
people double down on that though and

1410
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:45,920
we'll just argue and argue and argue or

1411
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:48,240
go missing from a conversation no one no

1412
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:49,839
one cares no one judges you well some

1413
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:51,839
people might but we don't it's like yeah

1414
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:53,200
that's fine you missed that well here's

1415
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,880
the analysis what do you think there's

1416
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,240
plenty of things and this is another

1417
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:58,319
point that myself dan and other members

1418
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:01,119
of uap media we disagree on as well

1419
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:03,280
including the calvin stuff and again

1420
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:04,720
that's fine because none of us really

1421
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:06,960
know it would be very big-headed of

1422
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,520
either myself or dan for example to to

1423
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:11,599
go head strong with any of this subject

1424
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:13,280
and go no this is definitely what it is

1425
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:14,720
and then fall out over differing

1426
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:17,040
opinions because we literally can't

1427
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:18,480
prove any of it

1428
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,400
and i would also ask dan you you

1429
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:22,400
mentioned the the two witnesses haven't

1430
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,599
come forward

1431
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:25,680
i would also ask you what difference do

1432
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:27,119
you think that would even make now say

1433
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:28,079
they did

1434
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:29,680
and they gave us the story of what

1435
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:30,800
happened

1436
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:32,800
would it make a difference to anyone and

1437
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:35,200
people like yourself myself nathan who

1438
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,800
may be a bit more inclined to take

1439
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:38,800
witness testimony at face value and go

1440
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,400
oh interesting and

1441
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:42,880
put it in that little folder of evidence

1442
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:45,040
but i think for for many

1443
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:47,040
a sizable number of people it wouldn't

1444
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,720
change anything

1445
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:50,640
i i would agree with that as well you

1446
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:52,240
know for us

1447
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:53,520
we would take it on board it would be

1448
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:55,520
nice to hear it on video straight from

1449
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:57,200
the witnesses mouths instead of kind of

1450
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:58,319
because at the moment we've got it from

1451
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:01,200
craig lindsey the raf officer who took

1452
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,960
the call from the witnesses and and had

1453
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,319
the story related to him and he wrote it

1454
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:06,319
down and he remembers the testimony but

1455
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:08,079
we don't actually have the testimony

1456
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:10,079
from the witness's mouth so it's kind of

1457
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:12,480
it's something i see as a weak link in

1458
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:14,640
the chain so to speak so for me it would

1459
00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:16,960
strengthen that but like you say for a

1460
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,880
lot of people wouldn't make a blind

1461
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:20,640
difference right like they they would

1462
00:49:24,549 --> 00:49:22,480
want to see

1463
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,559
a more zoomed in photo of the craft that

1464
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:27,200
wasn't slightly blurry uh you know and

1465
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:29,119
even then there would still be a portion

1466
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:31,040
of the the world that would kind of go

1467
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:32,720
nope that's not what you're saying it is

1468
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:33,920
it's

1469
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,720
are they still alive

1470
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:38,400
quite possibly not

1471
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:41,200
it was 32 years ago so they if they were

1472
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:42,240
under

1473
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:43,839
i mean any age something could happen

1474
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:46,480
within 32 years good god but you know if

1475
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:48,000
they were in their 30s they'd be in

1476
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,920
their their 60s now you know and then

1477
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:51,200
i'll let other people do the math from

1478
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:52,800
there onwards but

1479
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,880
yeah it's it's a long time ago and

1480
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:56,640
legacy i don't know but nathan i'd be

1481
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,880
really interested i've spoken to dan and

1482
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:00,720
my other friends and colleagues at uap

1483
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:02,240
media about this quite a lot in the last

1484
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:04,079
couple of weeks what about yourself what

1485
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:06,079
have been your thoughts honestly on on

1486
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,599
the photograph and then the fallout

1487
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:09,200
afterwards

1488
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:10,400
yeah well first of all i want to thank

1489
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:11,839
everybody for the effort that they put

1490
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:13,760
into getting that out there i think it's

1491
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:14,480
uh

1492
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:20,960
you're welcome i'm yeah especially

1493
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:22,559
i'm uh

1494
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:25,280
you know it's for me it's exciting i i i

1495
00:50:28,630 --> 00:50:27,119
love this stuff um

1496
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:28,640
a photo that

1497
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:29,839
we have been used to seeing that

1498
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,400
recreation photo for so long and to kind

1499
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,400
of have more to the story that that we

1500
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:36,240
can look at like that's excellent yeah

1501
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:38,240
we need more of that stuff

1502
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,920
to touch on kind of where you ended

1503
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:41,760
though in that in that conversation you

1504
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:43,839
know our predispositions or at least our

1505
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:46,000
our societal predispositions right now

1506
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,520
are are

1507
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:49,920
predisposed to saying it's not anything

1508
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:51,440
interesting you know that it that it is

1509
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:53,680
prosaic that that it's all a figment of

1510
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:55,440
our imagination that's where most

1511
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:59,040
everyone's going to start okay um i what

1512
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:01,200
i'm looking to see just from a

1513
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,880
overall trend is

1514
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,040
when the kind of public thinking shifts

1515
00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:07,680
over from that predisposition to oh you

1516
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:08,480
know

1517
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:13,520
pretty much already there we're inclined

1518
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:16,000
to believe these kinds of stories uh and

1519
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:17,680
and think there's there's something to

1520
00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:19,599
them most people aren't so when is that

1521
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,040
shift going to happen

1522
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:23,280
how many pieces of information and

1523
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:24,800
evidence

1524
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:26,800
over time does it take for that switch

1525
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:29,680
to occur and i and i think i would i

1526
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,359
don't have i'm not a historian but i

1527
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,760
would love to see examples in history of

1528
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:35,520
something similar where there's sort of

1529
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:37,359
a sea change that happens in public

1530
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:38,480
perception

1531
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,359
of recognizing a fundamental truth about

1532
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:43,760
reality or about science or whatever it

1533
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:46,480
is it takes a long time for the momentum

1534
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:48,960
of a culture to really shift and turn

1535
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:50,480
into accepting

1536
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:51,599
something that

1537
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:54,319
for so long has been told to them isn't

1538
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:57,040
true right so that that's one kind of

1539
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,880
aspect of the story the other aspect of

1540
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:00,480
it that i'm interested in i post

1541
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:02,640
something about it on social media is

1542
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:04,640
really the degree of similarity between

1543
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,680
this photograph and the recreation

1544
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:09,440
and so that to me lentz credence the

1545
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:11,040
argument that nick pope really did see

1546
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:12,559
the photograph really did study the

1547
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,359
photograph and spent a lot of time

1548
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:17,760
with the recreation making it match the

1549
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,480
photograph as best as possible there's

1550
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:22,640
there's a lot of similarities between

1551
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:23,680
the two

1552
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,359
images not all

1553
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:27,599
the landscape is obviously a lot more

1554
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,240
prominent and present in the nick pope

1555
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:32,400
you know recreation image than is in the

1556
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:33,520
the photo

1557
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:36,640
but it's a cloudy day the proportional

1558
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:38,640
shape of the object is almost exactly

1559
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:41,280
the same there are several uh sort of

1560
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:43,760
contours on the object which match

1561
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:46,400
exactly the same and so that makes me

1562
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:47,520
wonder

1563
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:50,319
what else in the recreation photo

1564
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:52,480
is accurate you know without really

1565
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:54,800
knowing without nick pope himself coming

1566
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:57,200
out and explicitly telling us you know i

1567
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:59,359
don't know but it certainly makes me

1568
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,040
speculate that there's a lot of detail

1569
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:03,520
in that image that is that is on point

1570
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:06,640
uh and and really does then

1571
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:08,319
kind of point us in other directions you

1572
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:10,400
know like the the lines that you can see

1573
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:13,520
on that recreation um there's even

1574
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:14,800
at least from the way i look at it

1575
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:16,480
there's even some kind of

1576
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:19,040
uh almost like painted insignia or or

1577
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:20,880
sort of stars that you can see on the

1578
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:23,280
whole of this craft you know so that

1579
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:24,960
makes me think it's some kind of you

1580
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,200
know man-made technology but

1581
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:29,119
look we don't really know right now and

1582
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,800
i'm gonna just sort of withhold judgment

1583
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:32,640
on this until we have more information i

1584
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:34,800
would love to hear from those witnesses

1585
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:37,280
to me that would kind of seal the deal

1586
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:39,359
if they came back out and put themselves

1587
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:41,440
out in the public and said what we heard

1588
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:43,119
they have said that would that would

1589
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:45,119
make it really compelling but until then

1590
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:46,720
i just think it's great and i want to

1591
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:48,319
see more things like this and i think we

1592
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:49,839
will continue to see more pieces of

1593
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:52,000
evidence just like this

1594
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:54,400
yeah hope so dan i'm alright and saying

1595
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:56,880
as we speak and record this uh vinnie

1596
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,200
and david clark i believe are hosting a

1597
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:01,359
q a on youtube live which obviously when

1598
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:03,119
you hear this it won't be live anymore

1599
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:04,960
um because that's how recall things were

1600
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:07,200
it's it's actually so it's finney david

1601
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,640
clarke uh matthew uh

1602
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:12,720
giles uh who were all involved in the

1603
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:14,720
investigation um and also andrew

1604
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,640
robinson who was the the gentleman who

1605
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:18,800
did the image analysis for sheffield

1606
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:21,599
harlem university so i'm expecting to go

1607
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:22,880
from this and i'm gonna dive straight in

1608
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:24,640
because they'll hopefully you know

1609
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:25,440
people

1610
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:26,800
that have been speculating there's a

1611
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,480
reflection of taking the opportunity to

1612
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:30,640
put that hypothesis to andrew and to see

1613
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:33,119
what he's going to say uh something you

1614
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:35,440
said nathan a few things

1615
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:37,599
kind of set some things off the the

1616
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:39,599
detail available in in nick's recreation

1617
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:41,599
is interesting right because

1618
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:43,280
what we're looking at is a photo of a

1619
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:45,119
photo you know craig had that developed

1620
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:47,119
he's kept it and now we're scanning it

1621
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:48,720
and showing everybody

1622
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:51,040
they have the negatives so if there was

1623
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,799
more detail in some of those images they

1624
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:54,240
would absolutely be able to get that

1625
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:55,760
that detail out and it's interesting

1626
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,440
that nick kind of placed a lot of those

1627
00:55:01,829 --> 00:54:59,680
things there but also

1628
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,839
and nick fedouz as well next threw his

1629
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:03,200
hands up to this when i asked him about

1630
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:04,559
it he got the movement wrong in the

1631
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:06,400
recreation and the motion it kind of

1632
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:08,319
shoots sideways when that wasn't a part

1633
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:11,040
of it not to say that you know

1634
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:12,480
he's kind of fudge in the details but

1635
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,400
just you know say that something's right

1636
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:17,040
something's wrong um

1637
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:18,960
then there was the the idea that you

1638
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:19,920
were saying you know when does that

1639
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:22,079
shift occur when have enough people kind

1640
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:24,000
of seen enough that it becomes a

1641
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:26,960
societal like doe moment um and and that

1642
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:28,160
is what i was highlighting earlier with

1643
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:30,400
thomas kuhn i suggest people go read his

1644
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:32,559
kind of work and he proposed that it

1645
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:34,880
tooks about took about 40 to 50 years

1646
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:36,079
but of course he came up with this

1647
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:38,559
theory before this age of communication

1648
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:40,720
so i'm i'm really curious if there's

1649
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:44,240
another kind of similar theory out there

1650
00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:45,839
you know maybe proposing that this shift

1651
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:47,839
happens faster now that we're all

1652
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:49,200
talking a lot more and we've got access

1653
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:51,119
to more information that would be really

1654
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,599
interesting but ultimately i love the

1655
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:55,200
and i'm going to use this as a little

1656
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:56,960
segue um

1657
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:58,480
i love that you said i don't know

1658
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:00,079
because that's so important to be able

1659
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:02,799
to say these days i don't know is okay

1660
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,839
to say

1661
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:05,520
and people do it in all sorts of walks

1662
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:06,960
of life so i think our politicians would

1663
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,480
be better off if they were okay saying i

1664
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:10,400
don't know you know the dod might be a

1665
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:12,400
bit more transparent about the uap issue

1666
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,160
if they were able to say we don't know

1667
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:16,319
you know we've studied this for ages and

1668
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:18,559
and that is something that

1669
00:56:22,470 --> 00:56:20,319
fights pilot ryan graves said on the on

1670
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:22,480
the lex friedman podcast too he was

1671
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:24,480
asked what do you think this is and he

1672
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:26,240
refused to conclude he just said i don't

1673
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,799
know and there was a wider conversation

1674
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:30,400
around it that involved a lot of

1675
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:32,640
speculation but in the midst of that was

1676
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:34,960
that key phrase i don't know and it was

1677
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,559
like magic to you for me in that

1678
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:38,400
interview

1679
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:40,079
absolutely yeah good points gents listen

1680
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:41,920
let's move on to gary nolan a couple of

1681
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:43,760
weeks ago appeared on

1682
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:46,480
tucker carlson today or carlson tucker

1683
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:48,000
as dan called it earlier some of you may

1684
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:49,200
have noticed i didn't want to correct

1685
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:50,559
him but yeah

1686
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:52,480
on tucker carlson it was a comma there

1687
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:54,880
in my brain right

1688
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:56,720
that's the way i heard it as well it's

1689
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,559
been a few weeks now but again i've got

1690
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,480
as my first note here folks politics

1691
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:02,160
aside okay some of you don't like tucker

1692
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,559
carlson he's the us piers morgan

1693
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:07,200
basically as as we see it um

1694
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:09,280
for me gary nolan absolutely superb

1695
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,880
charisma is off the charts speaks

1696
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:12,480
incredibly well and this is before we

1697
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:14,960
knew he was appearing um as that is the

1698
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,640
main highlight of ross coltar's

1699
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:19,200
documentary um i think gary's been a

1700
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:20,880
breath of fresh air in the community i

1701
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:22,960
think he's he's got very comfortable

1702
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:25,440
speaking online as well on twitter he

1703
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:27,760
will joke with people back and forward

1704
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:30,160
he will engage in conversation he'll

1705
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:32,400
share memes and they can go from really

1706
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:34,079
serious topics to conversation to more

1707
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:36,079
light-hearted ones i think he's been a

1708
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:38,160
great a great character and personality

1709
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:40,079
all around to be to be introduced into

1710
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,400
the conversation especially when whether

1711
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:44,319
you liked him or not you lost a louis

1712
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:46,799
lozando who was making some fantastic

1713
00:57:50,549 --> 00:57:48,160
claims or

1714
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:50,559
tip bits or conversational topics on

1715
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:52,640
twitter to lose that and then have gary

1716
00:57:56,309 --> 00:57:54,319
nolan's been a very a very nice

1717
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:56,319
substitute um

1718
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:57,119
so

1719
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:00,799
that conversation um he was approached

1720
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:03,599
in 2011 by the cia to examine pictures

1721
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:05,359
of individuals who may have been injured

1722
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:08,319
by ufos he wants to collect data and

1723
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:10,480
convince other scientists that the data

1724
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:12,880
is real like dan was saying before gary

1725
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:14,720
nolan isn't interested right now in the

1726
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:16,799
conclusions he just wants to show

1727
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:19,200
scientists look at this data we have get

1728
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:21,599
involved help us help us work out what

1729
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:24,720
this could be and very sensible approach

1730
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:26,240
and he was told this was ruined his

1731
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:29,119
reputation he said his reputation is

1732
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:30,880
going against the grain and it's

1733
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:33,040
unscientific not to study it and if you

1734
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:34,640
don't want to you aren't a scientist

1735
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:36,480
you're a priest which was quite a quite

1736
00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:39,280
a funny line from it um really one

1737
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:41,359
interesting one i liked tucker asks what

1738
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:43,359
the folks gary hangs around with and we

1739
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:44,880
know some of those at least or those

1740
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:47,680
circles what they think this is and the

1741
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:49,520
people in the know according to gary

1742
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:51,599
believe it it's not from earth

1743
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:53,200
and gary again is a very serious

1744
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:54,799
individual am i right and saying is he

1745
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:57,520
nobel nominated or nobel award winning

1746
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,760
nominated nominated ah well yeah that's

1747
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:01,760
that's nothing is it um we've all been

1748
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:03,599
nominated for a nobel prize that might

1749
00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:05,040
be good though because a lot of nobel

1750
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:07,040
nominees go on to have some crazy ideas

1751
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:08,640
and crazy theories almost like they're

1752
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:10,160
they're giving carplanche to just do

1753
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:11,760
whatever they want which they are to be

1754
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,839
fair but yeah some some of them get a

1755
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:15,599
little out there i was just having the

1756
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:18,000
discussion today that uh liberty x as a

1757
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,000
band were more successful than hearsay

1758
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:22,480
who actually won uh pop stars back in

1759
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:24,880
the day um if you remember like x factor

1760
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,480
and such nathan like those types of

1761
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:28,240
reality singing shows

1762
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:29,599
um

1763
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:32,079
yeah so yeah very similar conversation

1764
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:33,440
that's a very small number of people

1765
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:35,119
will appreciate that that comment and

1766
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:38,319
reference but i did say that today um

1767
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:42,880
so there's a lot of data from usos or um

1768
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:45,680
the unidentified submerged objects and

1769
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:47,200
really interesting area we hear so

1770
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:48,559
little about really

1771
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:50,559
congress's job is now to make the navy

1772
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:52,400
and other departments give the dod the

1773
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:55,040
data and report consistently setting

1774
01:00:02,230 --> 00:59:57,119
aside ndas and oauths

1775
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:02,240
so um i want to ask you both a question

1776
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,480
sort of on what i said before about

1777
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:06,559
we lost louisando whether you like him

1778
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:09,040
hate him or indifferent to him or on ufo

1779
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:11,440
twitter um it makes it sound like he's

1780
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:13,920
passed away yeah

1781
01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:15,760
condolences yeah although he's making

1782
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:17,760
comments again or online okay but again

1783
01:00:20,549 --> 01:00:19,200
literally i i don't care whether people

1784
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:20,559
like them or not that's that's their own

1785
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,920
opinion they're allowed to have that and

1786
01:00:25,990 --> 01:00:23,760
like lou alwa said himself

1787
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,000
follow the data and question me question

1788
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:28,559
everything that's that's fine um but

1789
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:30,400
we've got access to people like louie

1790
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:33,119
elizondo now and gary nolan

1791
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:35,599
and james fox chris chris mellon almost

1792
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:37,200
said christopher nolan he's on twitter

1793
01:00:41,910 --> 01:00:38,880
probably but different guy

1794
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:41,920
and at one stage not too long ago these

1795
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:44,160
individuals these roles they were they

1796
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:46,720
were faceless or what we had was a

1797
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:48,559
picture of them in their armor uniform

1798
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:50,720
with you know litanic colonel such and

1799
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:53,520
such and that was it and their whole

1800
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:56,079
status was based in myth and lore and

1801
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:57,920
they were involved in a crash retrieval

1802
01:01:02,630 --> 01:01:00,799
at roswell or they were behind the men

1803
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:02,640
in black you know it was just stories

1804
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,400
and there was no basis to it they might

1805
01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:06,720
as well have not really existed whereas

1806
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:07,520
now

1807
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:09,359
we do have access to these people and

1808
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:11,359
these individuals who actually worked in

1809
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:13,119
these programs and work with these

1810
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:14,799
people and have this incredible

1811
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:16,880
knowledge of this subject that we all

1812
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:19,200
all want to know so much more about

1813
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:20,960
the replying to your conversations

1814
01:01:25,109 --> 01:01:22,400
within minutes you could be sitting

1815
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:25,119
making dinner for your kids and you

1816
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:26,720
could receive a reply from chris melon

1817
01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:28,480
who is literally the under secretary of

1818
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:29,599
defense you know for the bush

1819
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:31,599
administration and whatnot

1820
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:33,359
and that that can happen now and you get

1821
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:34,880
it from all sorts of walks of life and

1822
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:36,880
celebrities

1823
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:38,400
has that in a way

1824
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:41,280
ruined a lot of the conversation that

1825
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:44,160
people can now have direct conversations

1826
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:46,079
back and forward with these people

1827
01:01:49,670 --> 01:01:47,440
does it and i'll go to your first year

1828
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:49,680
nathan does it does it water down

1829
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:51,680
the conversations or the impact some of

1830
01:01:56,069 --> 01:01:53,680
these people and their their quotes can

1831
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:56,079
actually have

1832
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:58,160
i love this question because

1833
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:00,640
it speaks to whether you're more in love

1834
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:03,920
with the mythology here uh with with the

1835
01:02:09,029 --> 01:02:06,720
fantasy or with the reality and turns

1836
01:02:11,829 --> 01:02:09,039
out reality is actually pretty messy uh

1837
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:11,839
and complicated real people

1838
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:12,640
aren't

1839
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:14,559
you know sort of flat one-dimensional

1840
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:16,720
objects you know they've got opinions

1841
01:02:21,990 --> 01:02:19,119
some of them wrong some of them good

1842
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:22,000
uh people have charisma or in some cases

1843
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:23,680
a lack of it right

1844
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:25,680
if you know who these people are you got

1845
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:27,200
to deal with all those things you know

1846
01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:29,839
you got to face them head on and and to

1847
01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:32,319
your point it's exciting we can have

1848
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:33,839
those interactions and i think that to

1849
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:36,000
me that's very thrilling but to many

1850
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:36,880
others

1851
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:38,799
you know when these people become real

1852
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:40,559
they step out of the shadows of that

1853
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:41,680
mythical

1854
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:46,559
person who's working at the secret base

1855
01:02:50,950 --> 01:02:48,640
you know that studies this whatever

1856
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:50,960
like it you know they would much rather

1857
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:53,359
have that story they want that that

1858
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:55,680
story and they get really angry to have

1859
01:03:01,589 --> 01:02:58,720
to deal with the reality of a

1860
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:01,599
flawed set of people who are doing their

1861
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:04,079
very best to study something that

1862
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:06,400
quite frankly may be very much beyond

1863
01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:08,480
our ability to comprehend it

1864
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:10,400
you know and it just sort of speaks too

1865
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:12,160
to the sort of uh

1866
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:14,160
requirements that people seem to have

1867
01:03:17,109 --> 01:03:15,760
for uh

1868
01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:17,119
they're kind of

1869
01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:19,839
perfect excellent spokesperson for this

1870
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:20,799
topic

1871
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:22,640
you know what kind of pedigree and

1872
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:24,960
credentials does somebody have to have

1873
01:03:27,990 --> 01:03:26,720
in other words for them to step forward

1874
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:28,000
and everyone be like

1875
01:03:32,470 --> 01:03:30,079
that's exactly the person with an

1876
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:32,480
unblemished background everything about

1877
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:34,640
them is so fantastic that everything

1878
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,079
that they say

1879
01:03:40,870 --> 01:03:38,240
is something i can take to the bank and

1880
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:40,880
believe in i there is no person that

1881
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:42,480
person does not exist

1882
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:45,520
you know so it's it really to me it's

1883
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:47,440
it's like watching this whole thing kind

1884
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:50,799
of unfold it it's like for the longest

1885
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:52,960
time this story has been this kind of

1886
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:55,200
closed flower

1887
01:03:59,029 --> 01:03:57,280
that is you know still pretty and nice

1888
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:59,039
to see but as the petals start kind of

1889
01:04:02,390 --> 01:04:00,960
coming open you're actually looking at

1890
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:02,400
what it really is

1891
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:04,160
and there's a lot of stuff going on in

1892
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:05,680
there and we're just kind of having to

1893
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:07,680
grapple with what that is but i think

1894
01:04:12,309 --> 01:04:09,760
you can appreciate it in its sort of

1895
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:12,319
fullness now and and we're going to need

1896
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:14,720
more of that running more people

1897
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:17,440
with gary nolan's pedigree and and uh

1898
01:04:19,589 --> 01:04:18,240
with

1899
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:19,599
those in the intelligence community

1900
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:22,720
stepping forward the more voices who are

1901
01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:25,520
adding their thoughts their time their

1902
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:27,599
energy to this regardless of their

1903
01:04:32,710 --> 01:04:29,599
complicated histories

1904
01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:32,720
the more that this cannot be ignored

1905
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:35,119
dan same question

1906
01:04:38,470 --> 01:04:36,880
i i agree it's a really good question

1907
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:38,480
i've been working my way through the

1908
01:04:42,309 --> 01:04:40,480
second uh

1909
01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:42,319
three three body problem book or the

1910
01:04:45,829 --> 01:04:44,799
remembrance of earth past uh series book

1911
01:04:47,349 --> 01:04:45,839
and there's a really quick quote in

1912
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:47,359
there where one of the characters says

1913
01:04:50,710 --> 01:04:49,680
once you know the world turns narrow

1914
01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:50,720
and

1915
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:52,000
that can be taken as positive or

1916
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:53,200
negative depending on what we're trying

1917
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:55,680
to do in this case we're trying to

1918
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:58,160
narrow it down and we're kind of moving

1919
01:05:02,630 --> 01:04:59,920
the subject from being an unknown

1920
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:02,640
unknown into a known unknown so we know

1921
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:04,640
the questions to ask and and the more

1922
01:05:09,510 --> 01:05:06,640
questions we can define the more we will

1923
01:05:11,910 --> 01:05:09,520
define the thing itself at some point

1924
01:05:13,510 --> 01:05:11,920
and lu elizondo has said this ufology as

1925
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:13,520
we know it will die

1926
01:05:18,309 --> 01:05:16,160
and we kind of have to make a choice is

1927
01:05:20,309 --> 01:05:18,319
is ufology something that just exists

1928
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:20,319
because of an information gap and a

1929
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:22,480
vacuum or is it something that exists

1930
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:24,160
because of these objects in the sky

1931
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:25,680
because if it's the objects in the sky

1932
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:27,599
at some point that goes away the world

1933
01:05:32,150 --> 01:05:29,599
will turn narrow the monsters at the

1934
01:05:33,670 --> 01:05:32,160
edge of the map will become defined and

1935
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:33,680
we won't be kind of talking in the

1936
01:05:37,109 --> 01:05:35,359
corners in hushed voices about these

1937
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:37,119
things but

1938
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:38,640
the positive of that

1939
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:40,079
is that we will start having the

1940
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:42,240
materials available to build things with

1941
01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:44,160
we'll start understanding the propulsion

1942
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:45,920
and the you know the impact that it has

1943
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:48,240
on us as humans and if it involves

1944
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:49,520
something to do with consciousness that

1945
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:52,720
kind of changes the world in that way so

1946
01:05:57,109 --> 01:05:54,640
yeah you know the the world turns now

1947
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:57,119
and this subject kind of gets slimmer

1948
01:06:01,430 --> 01:05:59,440
but for me that's a good thing but i

1949
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:01,440
know there are people out there who who

1950
01:06:06,069 --> 01:06:04,160
enjoy kind of healthy careers in that

1951
01:06:07,029 --> 01:06:06,079
gray area

1952
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:07,039
you know

1953
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:08,319
i know this has been a topic of

1954
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:10,559
conversation recently john greenwald put

1955
01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:12,480
up the lew's exact quote and i remember

1956
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:13,920
i remember the interview not remembering

1957
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:16,160
exactly when it was where lou talked

1958
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:18,319
about you know i want to burn down

1959
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:20,480
ufology and such and such

1960
01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:21,760
to be fair

1961
01:06:26,950 --> 01:06:24,319
lou is part of uh an expo next year he

1962
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:26,960
never made it up but with a tagline for

1963
01:06:32,309 --> 01:06:29,680
awakening as ufology evolved

1964
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:32,319
for me and again there's some some some

1965
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:34,640
individuals who may be there that i

1966
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:36,640
would question the legitimacy of what

1967
01:06:40,950 --> 01:06:39,200
they're going to discuss etc but

1968
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:40,960
i i don't think morphology as we know it

1969
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:42,000
will die

1970
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:44,720
i would suggest a little branch off

1971
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:47,119
um which i think it's been doing anyway

1972
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:48,480
because i think there's always going to

1973
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:50,160
be an audience for

1974
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:52,079
again if tomorrow

1975
01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:53,760
the tic tac landed on the white house

1976
01:06:58,309 --> 01:06:56,319
lawn and some aliens got out of it and

1977
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,319
people were vindicated and bob lazar

1978
01:07:01,670 --> 01:07:00,400
saucer model landed and they went i told

1979
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:01,680
you i was right

1980
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:03,520
i think there would still be

1981
01:07:07,349 --> 01:07:05,680
uh a group of people who would want to

1982
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:07,359
know about the black knight satellites

1983
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:09,520
and your your

1984
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:11,839
david wilcox and you know your linda

1985
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:14,400
molten house and your starseeds and

1986
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:15,839
all those things that would still be

1987
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:17,760
like way off of being proven or

1988
01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:19,440
potentially even proven to be kind of

1989
01:07:23,990 --> 01:07:21,200
nonsense if aliens came down and said

1990
01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:24,000
stephen greer was talking total nonsense

1991
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:25,599
there would still be i think an audience

1992
01:07:30,870 --> 01:07:27,599
for that so i don't think euphoria will

1993
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:30,880
die or or be burned down i definitely

1994
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:32,720
think it'll branch off and done to what

1995
01:07:36,390 --> 01:07:34,720
you were saying about it going into

1996
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:36,400
almost different compartments where

1997
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:38,240
there's a real serious aspect of it and

1998
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:40,079
that i talked about this with steve

1999
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:41,680
mehra when i talked about the direction

2000
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:44,000
of future expos and conferences being

2001
01:07:48,069 --> 01:07:45,760
more data driven i think you'll see more

2002
01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:48,079
of a change where you see more of a mix

2003
01:07:51,829 --> 01:07:50,000
and if that means you start to see the

2004
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:51,839
debrief with tim mcmillan michael hanks

2005
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:53,920
and others at a conference along with

2006
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:55,520
someone discussing starseeds and

2007
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:57,599
palladian experiences

2008
01:08:01,270 --> 01:07:59,280
along with the kinsella twins talking

2009
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:01,280
about their abduction experiences over

2010
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:03,520
the years followed by a lecture by louie

2011
01:08:07,349 --> 01:08:05,760
lozando and chris mellon maybe that's

2012
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:07,359
what does happen during a transitional

2013
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:08,640
period but

2014
01:08:12,549 --> 01:08:10,480
i can't see it going away just because

2015
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:12,559
of where we're at and just look at all

2016
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:13,760
the things that have happened just in

2017
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:15,280
the last few years where there are so

2018
01:08:19,990 --> 01:08:17,679
many audiences who who want to go the

2019
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:20,000
other way in a conversation who who

2020
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:21,440
maybe don't want to look at the facts

2021
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:23,520
they look at facts selectively or do you

2022
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:24,880
know what they just choose to read their

2023
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:26,319
own narratives

2024
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:27,839
and that's not just in ufos that's

2025
01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:29,520
that's across the board for me and i

2026
01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:31,120
think we've seen enough examples of that

2027
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:32,480
that

2028
01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:34,159
yeah it's it's people are going to pick

2029
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:36,719
and choose their camps but i think i'd

2030
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:38,880
like to try and sit as much as i can i'm

2031
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:41,279
very honest and see who i do and don't

2032
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:43,199
support in terms of their ideals and you

2033
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:45,520
know i hope people like louie have been

2034
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,199
honest and

2035
01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:49,440
i'm sure i know lou worked where he said

2036
01:08:53,590 --> 01:08:51,679
he worked however

2037
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:53,600
i want him to be proven right same with

2038
01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:55,679
bob lazar i want lazar to come out and

2039
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:57,279
eventually be vindicated that he did

2040
01:09:00,709 --> 01:08:58,960
work where he worked and all the

2041
01:09:02,149 --> 01:09:00,719
spurious little details that i don't

2042
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:02,159
really care about and i think nathan you

2043
01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:03,359
may have mentioned this earlier and

2044
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:04,480
other people

2045
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:06,799
who are who's going to care ultimately

2046
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:08,640
when we find out what these things are

2047
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:10,799
and that they're they're not of a human

2048
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:13,120
intelligence you know they're non-human

2049
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:14,400
they're they're something else they're

2050
01:09:19,349 --> 01:09:16,880
from elsewhere a different time reality

2051
01:09:20,950 --> 01:09:19,359
planet galaxy whatever it may be

2052
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:20,960
who's going to turn around and say oh

2053
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:23,040
yeah but bob lazar's background was

2054
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:24,560
spurious so wasn't it and he didn't

2055
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:26,159
actually go to college properly like you

2056
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:28,319
said he did it won't matter

2057
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:30,960
it's it wouldn't matter anymore so so

2058
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:32,080
yeah it's

2059
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:33,199
i don't know just that was an

2060
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:34,960
interesting point for me on and having

2061
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:36,880
access to these personalities and and

2062
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:39,279
for many i wonder if it does

2063
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:41,040
change the conversation because again

2064
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,120
what you see over over tweets and

2065
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:45,120
instagrams and dms is very different to

2066
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:46,480
what people would say to them face to

2067
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:48,640
face so but yeah that goes for all walks

2068
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:50,719
of life so interesting thank you gents

2069
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:53,359
for that um richard dolan made a few

2070
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:55,840
quotes on jimmy church a few weeks ago

2071
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:58,000
a bit of a wild interview in terms it

2072
01:10:01,830 --> 01:09:59,920
was a bit all over the place dan i think

2073
01:10:03,110 --> 01:10:01,840
you watched some of it and nathan i

2074
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:03,120
don't know if you managed to catch any

2075
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:06,480
of it and what they discussed yeah um

2076
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:08,880
a lot of backpacking and jimmy's

2077
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:11,280
inimitable style uh

2078
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:13,040
yeah it was an interesting one but some

2079
01:10:15,270 --> 01:10:14,480
of the quotes richard dolan came out

2080
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:15,280
with

2081
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:18,239
maybe slightly juxta positioned are one

2082
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:20,080
we are seeing a walk back of the ufo

2083
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:22,960
revelations of 2017. toothpaste is being

2084
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:25,040
put back into the tube

2085
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:26,480
i thought that was an interesting quote

2086
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:27,920
he also mentioned we're in the midst of

2087
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:29,600
a global revolution and cannot be turned

2088
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:30,880
back

2089
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:33,360
and for me that was two very differing

2090
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:35,840
comments on a similar subject

2091
01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:37,520
dan what do you think about richard

2092
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:38,800
dolan saying we're in the midst of

2093
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:40,400
things being walked back

2094
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:42,320
in terms of what came out in 2017 and

2095
01:10:46,229 --> 01:10:44,000
this is all leading to what i was

2096
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:46,239
getting at earlier that things may go

2097
01:10:50,070 --> 01:10:47,360
you know the genie may go back in the

2098
01:10:56,310 --> 01:10:54,550
the i mean there's been some talk of

2099
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:56,320
the more transparent the dod are going

2100
01:10:59,669 --> 01:10:57,920
to be with this the more careful they

2101
01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:59,679
have to be so actually they're erecting

2102
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:01,120
some new walls that we didn't have

2103
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:03,120
before the difference is we just know

2104
01:11:06,149 --> 01:11:04,719
that they're there you know publicly

2105
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:06,159
they're honest about those walls being

2106
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:07,840
present

2107
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:09,120
so i can kind of see where he's coming

2108
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:11,360
from in some respects

2109
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:13,520
but just like and i've mentioned this

2110
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:16,159
movie before context

2111
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:18,560
the best part of that narrative for me

2112
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:20,000
is where the knowledge that we're not

2113
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:22,080
alone it's just kind of left to simmer

2114
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:23,760
with the human race whilst a bunch of

2115
01:11:27,830 --> 01:11:25,600
kind of moving parts happen

2116
01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:27,840
and it has such a big sociology

2117
01:11:32,550 --> 01:11:30,480
sociological impact

2118
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:32,560
that it kind of almost doesn't matter

2119
01:11:37,030 --> 01:11:35,760
that the world's being put up because

2120
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:37,040
people people will start paying

2121
01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:38,320
attention when this makes a difference

2122
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:39,679
to their lives

2123
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:42,560
and like you you've both alluded to

2124
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:44,800
we're in a position now where

2125
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:46,320
the government the u.s government has

2126
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:48,159
said this is a real thing

2127
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:50,320
we're being given permission to go study

2128
01:11:53,189 --> 01:11:51,840
we're essentially being told all the

2129
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:53,199
people that kind of thought there was

2130
01:11:57,350 --> 01:11:54,960
something else around the world for all

2131
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:57,360
this time you were right

2132
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:58,719
and we're not going to spend the time

2133
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:00,400
saying i told you so a lot of us are

2134
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:02,880
very kind of

2135
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:04,800
community-minded you know we're going

2136
01:12:08,870 --> 01:12:06,000
out and we're talking to our friends and

2137
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:08,880
family about them so whilst i see where

2138
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:10,320
where dolan is coming from in that

2139
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:12,880
regard i i think that the toothpaste is

2140
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:14,159
out of the tube and you can't put it

2141
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:16,400
back in it's just that we know where the

2142
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:18,480
tube is now that's all

2143
01:12:20,950 --> 01:12:19,760
can you put the toothpaste somewhere

2144
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:20,960
else though

2145
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:22,480
you could pour in a bowl if you wanted

2146
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:24,560
to i guess but they are in a jar you

2147
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:25,360
could

2148
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:31,030
yeah i'm not talking about obviously the

2149
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:32,400
cleaning of this place that's up to

2150
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:34,080
yourselves folks but you know is there a

2151
01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:35,600
chance that the toothpaste comes out but

2152
01:12:38,709 --> 01:12:37,600
very quickly is collected and hidden

2153
01:12:40,229 --> 01:12:38,719
away

2154
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:40,239
i mean it almost doesn't matter you know

2155
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:42,320
if the public has seen it this knowledge

2156
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:43,600
is out there that there's a they're

2157
01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:45,600
there that we are not alone on earth

2158
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:47,120
whatever you might make of that whatever

2159
01:12:49,590 --> 01:12:48,400
the conclusion is there's something

2160
01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:49,600
other here

2161
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:51,199
that's the bit that matters on a daily

2162
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:53,360
basis to to people that they can start

2163
01:12:56,950 --> 01:12:55,040
reflecting you know what is what is the

2164
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:56,960
difference between us and something else

2165
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:58,400
that has occupied this planet for longer

2166
01:13:01,750 --> 01:13:00,080
than we have you know what does it mean

2167
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:01,760
to be human it's going to start having

2168
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:04,159
an impact on us in in a lot of different

2169
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:06,480
ways a lot of ways that we can't predict

2170
01:13:09,510 --> 01:13:08,159
so

2171
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:09,520
yeah like i say i see where dolan is

2172
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:11,120
coming from but in in another way i

2173
01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:13,199
think he's talking about a very specific

2174
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:15,440
thing um and the the societal

2175
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:17,280
ramifications of the toothpaste even

2176
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:18,800
existing in the first place and it being

2177
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:20,960
acknowledged that's that's the goods for

2178
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:22,719
me you know that that's what changes the

2179
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:24,000
world

2180
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:25,920
that's right yeah yeah it's what you

2181
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:27,600
know what is the actual toothpaste here

2182
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:29,600
you know is the toothpaste a piece of

2183
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:32,800
technology is it this fundamental truth

2184
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:35,280
is it a narrative uh you know the truth

2185
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:36,640
is that the government will always want

2186
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:38,239
to put a narrative on

2187
01:13:42,149 --> 01:13:39,840
whatever it happens to be but i think

2188
01:13:43,750 --> 01:13:42,159
dan you're spot on that you know just

2189
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:43,760
acknowledging that the toothpaste is

2190
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:46,800
there to begin with uh that it's not

2191
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:48,640
just a tube there's something inside of

2192
01:13:53,270 --> 01:13:51,440
it of substance you know that to me is

2193
01:13:54,470 --> 01:13:53,280
uh we're past that that point that

2194
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:54,480
momentum

2195
01:13:58,709 --> 01:13:57,360
uh is moving in and continuing to move i

2196
01:14:01,270 --> 01:13:58,719
don't think we're gonna go back to a

2197
01:14:02,229 --> 01:14:01,280
place where we pretend that it's not

2198
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:02,239
there

2199
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:04,480
but as to what that actually is or what

2200
01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:06,239
the interpretations of what that

2201
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:08,239
toothpaste might be

2202
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:10,000
that is still open to debate you know

2203
01:14:15,110 --> 01:14:13,280
how much of this story can they

2204
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:15,120
manage and control how much do they

2205
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:16,800
really know you know i think that that's

2206
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:18,719
something we've all speculated about for

2207
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,560
a long time you know to what degree do

2208
01:14:24,630 --> 01:14:22,560
we really understand

2209
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:24,640
what it is that we're dealing with here

2210
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:26,960
whether it be a singular thing or

2211
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:29,120
or many things and

2212
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:31,280
i think many have concluded that

2213
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:33,040
one of the main reasons we we haven't

2214
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:35,920
been told is that they just don't really

2215
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:38,320
know they don't really understand

2216
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:40,480
what it means and what it is and that's

2217
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:42,560
a bad place to be when you're

2218
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:44,239
a government that is responsible for a

2219
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:45,520
lot of people

2220
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:47,440
not just your own citizenry but really

2221
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:48,640
kind of the

2222
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:50,719
uh in many ways the way the world will

2223
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:53,920
react to this particular issue

2224
01:14:58,950 --> 01:14:56,480
yeah fair points um

2225
01:15:01,750 --> 01:14:58,960
james fox recently was interviewed by

2226
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:01,760
howard hughes on the unexplained um i

2227
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:03,360
believe this was a very scenic interview

2228
01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:05,040
i think he was on like a skyscraper in

2229
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:06,480
new york or some sort of balcony it

2230
01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:09,440
looked lovely um and he

2231
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:11,199
alluded to nathan will come to you for

2232
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:12,880
this one that he had had seen some

2233
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:14,880
pretty interesting photographic evidence

2234
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:16,640
now has his moment of contact

2235
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:18,880
documentary isn't out yet we'll review

2236
01:15:22,149 --> 01:15:20,640
that when the time is coming and i've

2237
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:22,159
spoke to james fox and he'll let me know

2238
01:15:25,270 --> 01:15:23,760
when screeners and stuff are going to go

2239
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:25,280
out i'm looking forward to seeing that

2240
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:27,199
one as i'm sure dan is as well and i'm

2241
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:28,560
sure you are nathan

2242
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:29,760
um

2243
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,159
however he was asked about

2244
01:15:36,630 --> 01:15:34,320
evidence and whatnot and this isn't in

2245
01:15:38,229 --> 01:15:36,640
the documentary apparently but he

2246
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:38,239
alluded to having seen something that

2247
01:15:42,470 --> 01:15:40,480
was pretty much

2248
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:42,480
smoking gun-esque evidence and also

2249
01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:44,400
offered quite a substantial sum of money

2250
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:46,400
for anyone who could present him with

2251
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:47,199
said

2252
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:49,679
photographic or video evidence as well

2253
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:52,080
nathan what was your take on james's his

2254
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:53,360
conversation and what he was saying

2255
01:15:57,030 --> 01:15:55,040
regarding this

2256
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:57,040
i thought it was uh very interesting you

2257
01:16:01,830 --> 01:15:59,600
know james is very good about uh you

2258
01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:01,840
know kind of teasing things and also

2259
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:04,080
trying to protect what he's saying not

2260
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:06,560
over commit not over promise which in a

2261
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:08,000
way basically makes it even more

2262
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:09,360
interesting that you want to get your

2263
01:16:13,270 --> 01:16:11,360
hands on that so you know i found that

2264
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:13,280
to be uh quite intriguing but i think it

2265
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:15,360
speaks back to dan's point earlier you

2266
01:16:18,630 --> 01:16:16,480
know how much

2267
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:18,640
is enough for us to really be convinced

2268
01:16:22,229 --> 01:16:20,400
of anything and it could be a photo or a

2269
01:16:23,590 --> 01:16:22,239
video or what have you and a very

2270
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:23,600
compelling story but it's not going to

2271
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:25,600
convince everyone but you know to me

2272
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:27,440
it's one more

2273
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:30,719
hopefully one more brick in this wall

2274
01:16:35,189 --> 01:16:33,360
that kind of composes this story and

2275
01:16:37,110 --> 01:16:35,199
when you when you step back and look at

2276
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:37,120
them collectively you know it's

2277
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:38,960
something that becomes pretty hard to

2278
01:16:42,310 --> 01:16:41,520
ignore that that that's what we're after

2279
01:16:43,669 --> 01:16:42,320
here

2280
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:43,679
is just uh

2281
01:16:48,149 --> 01:16:44,560
that

2282
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:48,159
ignored any longer so you know i'm

2283
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:49,920
excited by it i hope he gets what he

2284
01:16:53,110 --> 01:16:50,800
wants

2285
01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:53,120
um i hope we get you know

2286
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:56,159
more of all of the above

2287
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:58,480
dan any thoughts on james fox's comments

2288
01:17:01,669 --> 01:17:00,480
there wasn't a whole lot more around it

2289
01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:01,679
other than that and he's obviously

2290
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:03,440
getting ready to promote and talk about

2291
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:05,760
moment of contact but your thoughts

2292
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:06,880
yeah i mean you know i don't want to

2293
01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:09,280
repeat too much but the the idea of

2294
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:11,840
whether it would be something definitive

2295
01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:13,440
uh is something that pops into my head

2296
01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:15,280
when he's thinking about that footage

2297
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:17,280
and he was careful to kind of downplay

2298
01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:18,880
it and kind of suggest that maybe we

2299
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:21,600
won't see it um and and there was some

2300
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:23,520
conversation around

2301
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:25,440
offering the person money for it and and

2302
01:17:28,870 --> 01:17:27,360
that always worries me you know we were

2303
01:17:31,270 --> 01:17:28,880
very fortunate with the calvin image the

2304
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:31,280
craig lindsay the raf officer

2305
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:33,679
actually his only condition of handing

2306
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:35,760
it over was that if we end up selling

2307
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:37,360
prints of it that the money goes to

2308
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:39,360
sheffield harlem university for research

2309
01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:41,199
and to charity which i thought was a

2310
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:43,679
beautiful gesture on his part but we

2311
01:17:46,709 --> 01:17:44,880
have seen throughout history other

2312
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:46,719
people kind of

2313
01:17:50,070 --> 01:17:48,880
taking taking golden nuggets like that

2314
01:17:51,350 --> 01:17:50,080
and using them to kind of get their

2315
01:17:52,470 --> 01:17:51,360
moment in the limelight which i don't

2316
01:17:55,189 --> 01:17:52,480
begrudge you know if you've got it

2317
01:17:57,110 --> 01:17:55,199
you've got it uh but you know i'll

2318
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:57,120
withhold judgment until i kind of see

2319
01:18:00,870 --> 01:17:58,880
the documentary and see that that

2320
01:18:02,630 --> 01:18:00,880
footage if it's in there

2321
01:18:05,189 --> 01:18:02,640
yeah i've always been fascinated side

2322
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:05,199
note on the the footage that james fox

2323
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:06,480
heard of

2324
01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:08,480
with was it chuck clark

2325
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:10,880
where apparently the two two guys out in

2326
01:18:16,149 --> 01:18:13,920
the desert basically film a ufo

2327
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:16,159
over their car and it's apparently the

2328
01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:17,920
most incredible footage it never got

2329
01:18:21,990 --> 01:18:20,159
released it's been heard of in various

2330
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:22,000
shows if you see search out any james

2331
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:24,000
fox interviews i know howard hughes one

2332
01:18:26,950 --> 01:18:25,520
from a few years ago particularly he

2333
01:18:28,630 --> 01:18:26,960
goes into some really nice detail on it

2334
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:28,640
and stuff as well but

2335
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:30,560
some of that stuff that just sounds too

2336
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:32,400
good to be true is the stuff that we

2337
01:18:37,830 --> 01:18:35,440
just unfortunately don't get to see

2338
01:18:39,669 --> 01:18:37,840
yeah it is unfortunate and you know just

2339
01:18:41,590 --> 01:18:39,679
so the saying goes if if it sounds too

2340
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:41,600
good to be true it usually is so so

2341
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:43,440
tempting your expectations big hype just

2342
01:18:47,350 --> 01:18:45,600
equals big letdown so i'm sure it'll be

2343
01:18:49,270 --> 01:18:47,360
good it's james fox but you know what

2344
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:49,280
i'm going to put myself out there then i

2345
01:18:54,630 --> 01:18:51,280
i'm going to offer

2346
01:18:59,189 --> 01:18:54,640
can send me

2347
01:19:01,350 --> 01:18:59,199
footage of the abduction attempt over

2348
01:19:04,149 --> 01:19:01,360
the car um

2349
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:04,159
50 quid is yours i will i will transfer

2350
01:19:08,310 --> 01:19:05,679
that money um

2351
01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:08,320
i i can tell you that's a very low offer

2352
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:09,679
and that the gentleman that has it has

2353
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:12,640
been offered a lot more than that and

2354
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:14,400
what if we threw in a toothpaste ball i

2355
01:19:18,229 --> 01:19:16,640
think that'll do yeah one a really kind

2356
01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:18,239
of you know

2357
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:20,719
maybe from harrods you know and a signed

2358
01:19:26,229 --> 01:19:23,280
copy of the skies above

2359
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:26,239
from me as well um sold yeah sorry

2360
01:19:29,350 --> 01:19:27,679
that's as high as i can go folks my wife

2361
01:19:30,070 --> 01:19:29,360
would kill me otherwise you know there

2362
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:30,080
we go

2363
01:19:34,630 --> 01:19:32,560
um and can i final thoughts um hal put

2364
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:34,640
off released a paper again a few weeks

2365
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:37,760
ago now early august i believe it was

2366
01:19:41,590 --> 01:19:39,920
i am not the guy to go to for comments

2367
01:19:42,950 --> 01:19:41,600
on papers that have been released you

2368
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:42,960
know peer reviewed documents all that

2369
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:44,560
kind of stuff that you two guys normally

2370
01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:46,400
are um have you both read the paper from

2371
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:48,719
help it off or at least seen the the

2372
01:19:54,550 --> 01:19:50,880
gist yeah good cool well that's all

2373
01:19:58,470 --> 01:19:56,310
nathan will come at you first then uh

2374
01:20:00,070 --> 01:19:58,480
thoughts on the paper itself it kind of

2375
01:20:01,990 --> 01:20:00,080
got launched not launched but it got

2376
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:02,000
released online and it kind of came and

2377
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:04,400
went quite quick with only a bit of

2378
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:06,239
comment and then that was it uh your

2379
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:07,760
thoughts

2380
01:20:11,430 --> 01:20:09,520
yeah i was

2381
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:11,440
excited to read it uh

2382
01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:13,280
it was

2383
01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:16,000
not very like revelatory and that tells

2384
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:18,400
me that we've that the sort of idea the

2385
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:20,080
ultra-terrestrial hypothesis idea is

2386
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:22,320
just so well you know saturated in our

2387
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:23,760
community already that it wasn't

2388
01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:26,000
something that i hadn't heard before uh

2389
01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:28,480
it's great to see in writing um

2390
01:20:31,510 --> 01:20:30,400
and the whole story of the releases

2391
01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:31,520
seemed sort of funny i mean it'd been

2392
01:20:34,950 --> 01:20:32,960
floating around the community for a long

2393
01:20:37,590 --> 01:20:34,960
time i had not seen it but i knew lots

2394
01:20:39,030 --> 01:20:37,600
of people who had seen it and uh you

2395
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:39,040
know i just sort of got this mental

2396
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:40,080
image of

2397
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:41,440
you know how put off just kind of being

2398
01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:43,199
like ah finally just go ahead and like

2399
01:20:47,510 --> 01:20:44,960
it's not like it's he was sitting on

2400
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:47,520
some sort of bombshell you know paper

2401
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:49,360
it's just like i think he held on it too

2402
01:20:52,629 --> 01:20:51,120
long held on to too long and then

2403
01:20:54,870 --> 01:20:52,639
finally just was like

2404
01:20:57,510 --> 01:20:54,880
you know go ahead here it is um i think

2405
01:21:00,629 --> 01:20:57,520
it's great i think we've got uh some

2406
01:21:01,990 --> 01:21:00,639
very compelling arguments there uh that

2407
01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:02,000
it's a it's a

2408
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:03,679
hypothesis that people should give a lot

2409
01:21:08,950 --> 01:21:06,239
of attention to does sort of you know

2410
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:08,960
tie up a lot of the bits um is it the

2411
01:21:14,229 --> 01:21:11,600
whole story probably not but but it's a

2412
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:14,239
good direction so on that dan let me ask

2413
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:15,360
you

2414
01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:18,000
obviously follow up on what nathan said

2415
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:19,840
there quite similarly i was just going

2416
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:21,920
to say yes i agree yeah yeah i thought

2417
01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:24,080
so yeah dad's t-shirt yes i agree

2418
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:26,880
available via redbubble um

2419
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:29,120
many people's comments that i saw were

2420
01:21:34,629 --> 01:21:31,520
almost disappointed that hal seemed to

2421
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:34,639
be just hypothesizing and it wasn't

2422
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:36,320
coming out someone we assume would know

2423
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:38,880
a lot more than he lets on is that what

2424
01:21:41,910 --> 01:21:40,239
nathan's getting out there that it

2425
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:41,920
wasn't the whole story and that is this

2426
01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:44,400
is how giving

2427
01:21:49,510 --> 01:21:47,199
direction maybe on the subject and areas

2428
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:49,520
to look into as opposed to actually

2429
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:51,679
revealing what he knows because we would

2430
01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:53,679
be disappointed if that was just that

2431
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:54,960
i'm guessing

2432
01:21:59,189 --> 01:21:56,800
yeah you know the paper itself seems to

2433
01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:59,199
suggest that hal's very much you know he

2434
01:22:02,950 --> 01:22:00,400
doesn't have any kind of secret

2435
01:22:04,709 --> 01:22:02,960
knowledge that we're not aware of but

2436
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:04,719
what this paper does is it is it lays

2437
01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:07,040
out a few hypothesis really well and

2438
01:22:09,910 --> 01:22:08,800
kind of says well look you know there

2439
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:09,920
are ways that we can break these

2440
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:11,520
hypotheses down

2441
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:14,080
if there was such a thing as you know

2442
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:14,880
uh

2443
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:16,880
an ultra-terrestrial human group we

2444
01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:19,840
would see maybe them kind of trying to

2445
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:22,239
mix in with us and and that would kind

2446
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:23,760
of cause

2447
01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:25,679
you know some spurious research that

2448
01:22:29,669 --> 01:22:27,520
comes out of nowhere into genetics or

2449
01:22:32,229 --> 01:22:29,679
into a material craft in which case

2450
01:22:34,629 --> 01:22:32,239
that's a fingerprint of that kind of you

2451
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:34,639
know thing going on uh he goes into a

2452
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:36,080
number of different

2453
01:22:39,189 --> 01:22:37,360
scenarios

2454
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:39,199
and looks at what fingerprints they

2455
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:41,360
would leave and i came away from the

2456
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:43,040
paper with the ultimate point that he's

2457
01:22:47,910 --> 01:22:45,360
making essentially is that we have to be

2458
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:47,920
willing to stop just speculating and

2459
01:22:51,910 --> 01:22:49,920
actually define what it is we're saying

2460
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:51,920
and come up with a testable hypothesis

2461
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:54,560
to press that to the limit

2462
01:22:59,830 --> 01:22:57,199
to see essentially if

2463
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:59,840
it's it's the real thing um because a

2464
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:01,120
lot of these things we can take off the

2465
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:02,960
table through the evidence that we have

2466
01:23:07,430 --> 01:23:05,440
or don't have so it wasn't really you

2467
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:07,440
know concluding that any particular

2468
01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:09,520
hypothesis was favorable it was just

2469
01:23:13,830 --> 01:23:11,600
kind of saying you know look you know if

2470
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:13,840
if it's et there will be these telltale

2471
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:15,600
signs there at ct and we can start

2472
01:23:19,830 --> 01:23:17,360
talking about what those telltale signs

2473
01:23:22,070 --> 01:23:19,840
are and working the speculation and the

2474
01:23:24,310 --> 01:23:22,080
data that we have so that instead of us

2475
01:23:27,030 --> 01:23:24,320
just all having our favorite stories we

2476
01:23:30,390 --> 01:23:27,040
have our favorite genuine hypothesis

2477
01:23:31,430 --> 01:23:30,400
that's been well-rounded and thought out

2478
01:23:32,870 --> 01:23:31,440
awesome

2479
01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:32,880
anything else gents you guys want to

2480
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:34,800
talk a bit before we finish up

2481
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:37,440
just really quickly i mean the topics we

2482
01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:39,120
hit on here like imagine us talking

2483
01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:41,199
about this stuff three years ago i

2484
01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:42,800
didn't take one of these it would have

2485
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:45,520
been like a huge news week or news month

2486
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:47,280
but we just went through several of them

2487
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:49,679
you know a top scientist who's put his

2488
01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:51,840
reputation on the line

2489
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:53,920
a photograph of an incident that we've

2490
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:56,639
been talking about for 30 years

2491
01:24:00,149 --> 01:23:58,320
a hypothesis from someone who's been

2492
01:24:01,990 --> 01:24:00,159
close to this subject for so long who's

2493
01:24:03,669 --> 01:24:02,000
really knowledgeable that we've been

2494
01:24:05,350 --> 01:24:03,679
hearing rumors of for so long and seeing

2495
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:05,360
it and reading it i mean it's an

2496
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:07,440
exciting time you know and i think that

2497
01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:08,960
it's easy to lose sight of that because

2498
01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:11,120
we're just now kind of numb we just want

2499
01:24:15,669 --> 01:24:13,840
that next hit of dopamine from a news

2500
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:15,679
release or whatever but if you just step

2501
01:24:19,030 --> 01:24:16,960
back and look at everything that's

2502
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:19,040
happening right now it is very hard to

2503
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:21,360
ignore in my opinion the real momentum

2504
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:23,280
that's happening here

2505
01:24:27,669 --> 01:24:25,120
yeah and for me as someone who just

2506
01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:27,679
likes talking about ufos as i've said

2507
01:24:31,110 --> 01:24:29,199
and dan we were discussing this

2508
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:31,120
yesterday as well privately people can

2509
01:24:34,390 --> 01:24:32,560
forget that and get lost in the noise

2510
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:34,400
with that sometimes that ultimately

2511
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:36,400
that's why many of us enjoy this subject

2512
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:38,320
as you know came into it as a kid with a

2513
01:24:40,870 --> 01:24:39,760
fascination or a sighting or an

2514
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:40,880
experience

2515
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:42,960
and here we are with real

2516
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:45,120
progress happening behind the scenes

2517
01:24:49,189 --> 01:24:47,280
could all in the coming days weeks

2518
01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:49,199
months and years go away and we're back

2519
01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:52,080
to square one yeah you can't say it 100

2520
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:54,080
that it couldn't but it's looking like

2521
01:24:57,990 --> 01:24:56,239
it's in a really good place and we're

2522
01:24:59,910 --> 01:24:58,000
getting some kind of progress and as

2523
01:25:02,070 --> 01:24:59,920
much as we can help keep the discussion

2524
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:02,080
going move it forward if you're

2525
01:25:05,189 --> 01:25:03,440
especially if you're in the us if you

2526
01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:05,199
can get in touch with congressmen and

2527
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:07,199
women if you want to make sure you know

2528
01:25:11,669 --> 01:25:09,679
you can you can lobby

2529
01:25:13,430 --> 01:25:11,679
big phone home 3 just happened with ucr

2530
01:25:15,669 --> 01:25:13,440
didn't it and again there was petitions

2531
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:15,679
up there mick west has signed a petition

2532
01:25:19,350 --> 01:25:18,000
to get gimbal footage released that's

2533
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:19,360
great because i would love to see the

2534
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:21,600
longer version of the gimbal video if

2535
01:25:27,350 --> 01:25:24,960
you can in any way shape or form help by

2536
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:27,360
sharing conversation if you see clips

2537
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:29,440
online of interviews you like if you see

2538
01:25:33,910 --> 01:25:31,760
tucker carlson speaking to gary nolan

2539
01:25:35,750 --> 01:25:33,920
comment on it like engage same with

2540
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:35,760
facebook instagram share this

2541
01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:37,199
information and maybe some of your

2542
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:38,960
friends and colleagues and just you know

2543
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:40,960
mutual connections will see these things

2544
01:25:44,629 --> 01:25:42,880
and it broadens that ufo discussion

2545
01:25:46,390 --> 01:25:44,639
because it is getting more and more into

2546
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:46,400
the mainstream and that can only be a

2547
01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:49,840
good thing for the moment

2548
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:52,000
so just two things to wrap up from me uh

2549
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:54,159
one is a shout out to james ian doley

2550
01:25:57,990 --> 01:25:56,480
who's had a few magnificent interviews

2551
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:58,000
on his channel over the past month or so

2552
01:26:01,270 --> 01:25:59,600
you know he's had jim semivam back and

2553
01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:01,280
they've really kind of gone into detail

2554
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:03,199
on things and he's just spoken to peter

2555
01:26:07,990 --> 01:26:05,040
lavender who writes the

2556
01:26:10,310 --> 01:26:08,000
the non-fiction uh books with with to

2557
01:26:12,709 --> 01:26:10,320
the stars at academy or to the stars now

2558
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:12,719
would just be to the stars um and that's

2559
01:26:16,470 --> 01:26:14,400
one i haven't watched yet but in the

2560
01:26:18,310 --> 01:26:16,480
interview that you had with uh jim

2561
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:18,320
semivan there was a lot of people

2562
01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:20,480
noticed that there was a dmt book set in

2563
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:21,840
the background which obviously kind of

2564
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:23,280
leans towards the consciousness side of

2565
01:26:26,229 --> 01:26:25,280
things it was interesting that that that

2566
01:26:28,870 --> 01:26:26,239
was there

2567
01:26:30,149 --> 01:26:28,880
uh he he also kind of

2568
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:30,159
referenced what's known as the

2569
01:26:34,390 --> 01:26:32,880
alessinian mysteries which was

2570
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:34,400
uh there was a place called the lucius

2571
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:35,679
that people would kind of take a

2572
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:37,920
pilgrimage to way back when and they

2573
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:40,159
would take a substance and be kind of

2574
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:42,000
told the truth of of consciousness in

2575
01:26:45,270 --> 01:26:43,520
the universe and everything and the

2576
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:45,280
secret was supposedly that if you die

2577
01:26:48,709 --> 01:26:46,960
before you die then when you die you

2578
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:48,719
don't die

2579
01:26:52,149 --> 01:26:50,560
that's a bit of a mouthful but it's kind

2580
01:26:54,629 --> 01:26:52,159
of getting that there's something more

2581
01:26:57,350 --> 01:26:54,639
after this life waiting for us and that

2582
01:26:58,229 --> 01:26:57,360
right now we are kind of cocoons and and

2583
01:27:00,550 --> 01:26:58,239
you know

2584
01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:00,560
there's a great leslie keane series uh

2585
01:27:03,669 --> 01:27:02,320
on netflix that goes into the afterlife

2586
01:27:05,669 --> 01:27:03,679
stuff and i'd import everything to watch

2587
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:05,679
it and yeah it was just really

2588
01:27:09,189 --> 01:27:07,280
intriguing that it came up again in a

2589
01:27:11,030 --> 01:27:09,199
uap conversation

2590
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:11,040
apparently to the stars have kind of six

2591
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:12,800
other treatments tom thomas alluded to

2592
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:15,520
one called wild men um and we know that

2593
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:17,280
thomas said before that

2594
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:18,800
he's been looking at mixing truth of

2595
01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:20,880
fiction and the story of the wild man is

2596
01:27:24,550 --> 01:27:22,800
that there are it seems to be a species

2597
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:24,560
of people that can appear as shadows and

2598
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:26,080
kind of

2599
01:27:29,669 --> 01:27:28,000
look at uh innermost workings of our

2600
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:29,679
governments and things like that so that

2601
01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:31,360
that should be interesting supposedly

2602
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:33,920
how put off has a remote viewing prod

2603
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:36,320
film in the work in the works which is a

2604
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:37,920
very kind of serious take on you know

2605
01:27:40,709 --> 01:27:39,360
mirage man and things like that which

2606
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:40,719
would be interesting that's the first

2607
01:27:43,990 --> 01:27:42,639
we've heard of it and and immediately as

2608
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:44,000
soon as jim said it he was like oh i

2609
01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:45,360
wasn't meant to put that out who knows

2610
01:27:48,870 --> 01:27:46,800
if he was meant to or not great bit of

2611
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:48,880
marketing i'm talking about it now

2612
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:50,159
um

2613
01:27:53,430 --> 01:27:52,000
scout and vault their apps and database

2614
01:27:55,430 --> 01:27:53,440
are apparently all set up and developed

2615
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:55,440
ready to go they're just waiting on kind

2616
01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:56,639
of getting the thumbs up from their

2617
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:58,800
partners and semi-van finished that

2618
01:28:02,550 --> 01:28:00,880
interview by just saying uaps are real

2619
01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:02,560
the phenomenon is real keep the faith

2620
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:03,840
and good luck keep doing what you're

2621
01:28:08,229 --> 01:28:06,159
doing uh again you know bit of a mic

2622
01:28:09,669 --> 01:28:08,239
drop moment then the other thing that i

2623
01:28:12,070 --> 01:28:09,679
just wanted to mention is that there was

2624
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:12,080
a great movie that came out called pray

2625
01:28:16,709 --> 01:28:15,120
it was a predator film and for me there

2626
01:28:18,470 --> 01:28:16,719
were a number of things contained in it

2627
01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:18,480
that kind of hit on some of some of the

2628
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:19,840
things that we talked about to do with

2629
01:28:24,470 --> 01:28:22,400
the phenomenon number one being

2630
01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:24,480
is that there's a moment where the main

2631
01:28:27,830 --> 01:28:25,920
character i'll be as loose with this as

2632
01:28:29,590 --> 01:28:27,840
possible because please go watch it it's

2633
01:28:31,669 --> 01:28:29,600
a really interesting movie

2634
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:31,679
the main character sees the predator

2635
01:28:37,110 --> 01:28:33,120
predator for the first time and goes

2636
01:28:38,950 --> 01:28:37,120
running and she bumps into her tribe and

2637
01:28:40,790 --> 01:28:38,960
she's trying to describe what she's seen

2638
01:28:42,870 --> 01:28:40,800
to them and she's struggling for

2639
01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:42,880
language she can't she can't describe it

2640
01:28:46,470 --> 01:28:44,560
because there's nothing there that she's

2641
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:46,480
seen before so she describes it as kind

2642
01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:48,719
of a giant bear and we know that the

2643
01:28:52,229 --> 01:28:50,320
predator creature doesn't look like a

2644
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:52,239
bear but that's the best that she has

2645
01:28:56,870 --> 01:28:54,080
and it made me think of the whole dino

2646
01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:56,880
beaver debacle where

2647
01:29:00,629 --> 01:28:58,320
some people are kind of treating that as

2648
01:29:02,070 --> 01:29:00,639
a silly statement and sure

2649
01:29:03,189 --> 01:29:02,080
saying that there's a dino beaver it

2650
01:29:04,629 --> 01:29:03,199
sounds like something from you know

2651
01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:04,639
avatar the last airbender where they

2652
01:29:08,149 --> 01:29:06,080
just mush two creatures together and

2653
01:29:10,629 --> 01:29:08,159
have a bit of fun with it but actually

2654
01:29:12,629 --> 01:29:10,639
that's a human being in a moment of

2655
01:29:13,990 --> 01:29:12,639
trauma and probably ptsd seeing

2656
01:29:15,750 --> 01:29:14,000
something that's so far outside the

2657
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:15,760
wheelhouse that they go in trying to

2658
01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:17,280
take in the details and maybe they saw

2659
01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:18,800
it had a flat tail maybe they saw it

2660
01:29:22,950 --> 01:29:20,560
kind of look like a reptile but that

2661
01:29:24,229 --> 01:29:22,960
came out as dino beaver so

2662
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:24,239
i just wanted to mention that because i

2663
01:29:27,750 --> 01:29:25,440
think it's important that when we're

2664
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:27,760
talking to witnesses and experiences

2665
01:29:31,910 --> 01:29:29,440
that we don't take their phrasing

2666
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:31,920
literally that way you know we record it

2667
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:33,600
but we can be a little loose with

2668
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:35,120
concepts when people say things like

2669
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:37,040
dino beaver and yeah i just wanted to

2670
01:29:39,430 --> 01:29:38,320
make sure i got that in because yeah

2671
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:39,440
it's important

2672
01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:42,159
one small detail dan got wrong there the

2673
01:29:46,950 --> 01:29:44,480
prey movie is good not great um but i

2674
01:29:48,870 --> 01:29:46,960
would encourage people to watch it um

2675
01:30:01,910 --> 01:29:48,880
where can people bet on our fight just

2676
01:30:06,550 --> 01:30:03,910
it wasn't great it's not the best but

2677
01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:06,560
it's yeah it was good i was pleasantly

2678
01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:08,320
surprised i'll put it that way because

2679
01:30:11,910 --> 01:30:10,560
dan you remember i was very privately i

2680
01:30:13,350 --> 01:30:11,920
was quite pretty negative about the

2681
01:30:15,270 --> 01:30:13,360
whole thing coming out i was like i

2682
01:30:18,229 --> 01:30:15,280
don't like the look of this whatsoever

2683
01:30:19,189 --> 01:30:18,239
but um i did enjoy it um and it's really

2684
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:19,199
interesting like you say about the

2685
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:20,880
language and i always think back to you

2686
01:30:24,709 --> 01:30:22,639
know how did people describe the sky

2687
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:24,719
before we had a word for the color blue

2688
01:30:27,590 --> 01:30:26,080
you know it's just how would you

2689
01:30:29,750 --> 01:30:27,600
describe that there was no language for

2690
01:30:31,990 --> 01:30:29,760
it and again great great example of dino

2691
01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:32,000
beaver because it is a ridiculous way to

2692
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:34,320
describe it but if if something did look

2693
01:30:37,990 --> 01:30:36,159
like that's the best way you could do it

2694
01:30:39,270 --> 01:30:38,000
then yeah so something your kids would

2695
01:30:41,669 --> 01:30:39,280
come out with isn't it that i saw

2696
01:30:43,189 --> 01:30:41,679
something like a dinosaur beaver thing

2697
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:43,199
you're like oh okay

2698
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:44,639
but maybe that's what it did look like

2699
01:30:48,709 --> 01:30:47,040
who knows um but also just to say jim

2700
01:30:51,750 --> 01:30:48,719
semivan will be joining myself at the

2701
01:30:53,430 --> 01:30:51,760
end of september on the podcast um very

2702
01:30:55,030 --> 01:30:53,440
busy gent but that's been arranged for a

2703
01:30:56,709 --> 01:30:55,040
few weeks now finally got in touch with

2704
01:30:58,550 --> 01:30:56,719
dates and stuff and i believe he's on

2705
01:31:00,550 --> 01:30:58,560
calling all beings nathan which i'm sure

2706
01:31:02,790 --> 01:31:00,560
you'll be on that one thursday night

2707
01:31:04,470 --> 01:31:02,800
this week thursday yep there you go um

2708
01:31:07,270 --> 01:31:04,480
so jim simovan going on to some of the

2709
01:31:09,350 --> 01:31:07,280
pods as well which is great to see um

2710
01:31:11,030 --> 01:31:09,360
maybe he'll get his friend tom to come

2711
01:31:13,110 --> 01:31:11,040
back and talk to the ufo community which

2712
01:31:15,510 --> 01:31:13,120
has plowed so much money into two of the

2713
01:31:17,669 --> 01:31:15,520
stars over the years and there's one of

2714
01:31:20,709 --> 01:31:17,679
the investors right there dan looking

2715
01:31:22,950 --> 01:31:20,719
for a return on his money um just

2716
01:31:24,310 --> 01:31:22,960
actually i found my bit of paper with my

2717
01:31:26,229 --> 01:31:24,320
shares detailed on them the other day

2718
01:31:28,149 --> 01:31:26,239
because i was moving and i was like

2719
01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:28,159
should i throw these out no i've kept

2720
01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:30,400
them yeah there you go and you always

2721
01:31:33,590 --> 01:31:32,239
said you never expected anything back

2722
01:31:35,590 --> 01:31:33,600
but it'd be nice if tom came out and

2723
01:31:37,510 --> 01:31:35,600
just addressed the ufo community that

2724
01:31:39,270 --> 01:31:37,520
he's about to market a movie towards and

2725
01:31:41,110 --> 01:31:39,280
no doubt wants us to go and see it and

2726
01:31:43,910 --> 01:31:41,120
we will anyway you know shut up and take

2727
01:31:45,910 --> 01:31:43,920
my money don't tell him that yeah but

2728
01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:45,920
anyway that's all folks uh in a couple

2729
01:31:50,310 --> 01:31:47,760
of days time that in my interview with

2730
01:31:53,350 --> 01:31:50,320
resvan vark on simulation theory uh

2731
01:31:55,110 --> 01:31:53,360
multiverse hypothesis how ufos and all

2732
01:31:57,189 --> 01:31:55,120
sorts of consciousness can be involved

2733
01:31:59,110 --> 01:31:57,199
in that as well we'll be out um later in

2734
01:32:01,110 --> 01:31:59,120
the week dan and i will record our nope

2735
01:32:02,310 --> 01:32:01,120
review we'll send out on all the feeds

2736
01:32:03,990 --> 01:32:02,320
and that won't just be a patreon

2737
01:32:04,950 --> 01:32:04,000
exclusive or anything like that and

2738
01:32:06,390 --> 01:32:04,960
because that's one we're really

2739
01:32:08,310 --> 01:32:06,400
interested in talking about and sharing

2740
01:32:10,070 --> 01:32:08,320
our thoughts on that lots of you have

2741
01:32:12,070 --> 01:32:10,080
done that already if you want to share

2742
01:32:14,229 --> 01:32:12,080
any questions thoughts opinions on the

2743
01:32:17,350 --> 01:32:14,239
nope movie seems quite divisive in me in

2744
01:32:20,950 --> 01:32:17,360
many many ways send those over ufo uap

2745
01:32:22,470 --> 01:32:20,960
am gmail.com and yeah lots to come so

2746
01:32:23,830 --> 01:32:22,480
i've enjoyed this nathan thank you very

2747
01:32:25,189 --> 01:32:23,840
much again for coming on always a

2748
01:32:26,550 --> 01:32:25,199
welcome voice

2749
01:32:28,070 --> 01:32:26,560
my pleasure

2750
01:32:30,870 --> 01:32:28,080
absolutely been great having you and

2751
01:32:31,990 --> 01:32:30,880
we'll get you back on again and dan

2752
01:32:37,030 --> 01:32:32,000
thanks

2753
01:32:39,110 --> 01:32:37,040
yeah absolute pleasure the school

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01:32:41,990 --> 01:32:39,120
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that is all for this week's show thank

2785
01:33:53,110 --> 01:33:51,040
you very much for listening please

2786
01:33:55,750 --> 01:33:53,120
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2787
01:33:58,070 --> 01:33:55,760
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01:34:02,149 --> 01:34:00,000
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2796
01:34:19,510 --> 01:34:17,600
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2797
01:34:42,709 --> 01:34:19,520
folks as always keep looking up you

2798
01:34:42,719 --> 01:34:58,310
is

2799
01:35:01,430 --> 01:34:59,830
i can't imagine how it could have been

2800
01:35:19,109 --> 01:35:01,440
any better i got to the top of the

2801
01:35:22,070 --> 01:35:20,390
there was something on my head and

2802
01:35:23,910 --> 01:35:22,080
everything was weird and everything was

2803
01:35:25,270 --> 01:35:23,920
red i helped out my boys they thought

2804
01:35:30,229 --> 01:35:25,280
this was noise they thought it was a

2805
01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:40,950
that doesn't really scare

2806
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:57,510
i me it's you and me and uh

2807
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:24,470
for being serious

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01:36:24,480 --> 01:36:50,470
foreign

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01:36:50,480 --> 01:37:16,629
it's